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Is "Socialized Healthcare" Evil?

Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
health, healthcare, socialized-medicine, universal-healthcare, socialized-healthcare
By Matt Rock
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The year was 2001. I woke up one early spring morning with a terrible shortness of breath, gasping for air and unable to get control over my breathing. My parents rushed me to one of our local hospitals, and we checked into the emergency room. I was having serious problems breathing (we later discovered that I had a bad case of bronchitis)... naturally, you'd expect that the hospital would take me immediately, right? Three hours. That's how long they made me wait in the waiting room. It wasn't terribly busy that day. There weren't a dozen gourneys with gunshot or car accident victims rushing about. I remember seeing a lady with two kids, one of which had scraped his elbow pretty bad, and that seemed to be the worst case in the emergency room that day. Perhaps something was going on behind the doors? After three hours of waiting and a few visits from a very understanding and caring nurse, I was finally able to get in. Was it busy in the back? No. That's when we found out that my dad's insurance company was processing my information. They'd caused a massive delay, where I was sitting in a hospital waiting room for three hours having a very difficult time breathing. This is only one of four distinct instances of negative personal experiences with our healthcare system in the United States.

But according to the opponents of universal healthcare (IE. "Socialized Medicine"), my experience was nothing compared to what people in France, England, or Canada need to deal with. According to them, I'd have waited much longer, recieved much worse service, and have left the hospital sicker than I was when I entered. But are these Senators, Governors, and field professionals dismissing universal healthcare because they honestly believe it's going to hurt us? Or are they dismissing the idea because insurance companies would lose out with a universal system in place? Are they worried about my health, or the health of Wall Street? With limited resources, I've decided to head out onto the internet to find some answers.

According to the World Health Organization's rankings in 2000, the United States was ranked 37th out of 190 countries. Countries that ranked higher than the USA include France (1st), the United Kingdom (18th), and -- yes, it's true -- Canada (30th). It's easy to find people who oppose citing the WHO's rankings, but these arguements are always coming from the strongest opposers of universal healthcare, and their bias is forcing me to ignore their complaints. At any rate, the healthcare of the United States and Canada are always the most carefully scrutinized, so let's compare those here as well. A study conducted in 2007 by the Open Medicine Journal says that Americans spend more on healthcare per capita than Canadians -- $5,635 versus $3,003. Life expectancy is higher in Canada, and infant mortality is lower. But it's not all fantastic... There's a healthcare professional shortage in Canada, which lends to the infamous wait times for care, where 24% of Canadians complain of waiting four hours for care... a full hour longer than I had to wait when I had bronchitis back in 2001.

Statistics for and against universal healthcare are easily found on the internet, and they're always cited in these debates. But what's the bottom line? In the United States, 47 million citizens (8.7 million of whom are children) are not insured. The population of the United States? 304 million. That's a pretty remarkable chunk of our population... a little over 15.4%. Why do they not have health insurance? Because insurance is extremely expensive (especially for lower and middle class citizens), with an inflation rate several times higher than the national average. Small businesses can barely afford it, and bigger corporations cut corners with health insurance costs wherever and whenever they can. How could this situation possibly get any worse? Insurance companies do everything they can to avoid payment on claims, going so far as to cancel policies when a patient gets sick. So my next question is this: Which is worse? Waiting for good healthcare, or dying from poor healthcare?

Healthcare in the United States is terrible. I'm sorry, but it needs to be said. Capitalism has proven time and time again to fail the health service industry. A corporation shouldn't decide if you get care or not. The popular arguement is that the government can't efficiently run a hospital, and that patients would suffer, but statistics and facts very easily counter this arguement.

I'm a proud citizen of the United States of America, but conservatives try to paint proponents of universal healthcare as un-American; as disloyal expatriots. Why? Because we don't have faith in the private sector? The insurance corporations are literally killing Americans every single day. The same people who tell us we can't get rid of the insurance companies are the same people who argue against regulating them. These people are telling you that you can't improve the system in any way, that you shouldn't want to improve it, and that it doesn't need to be improved. They are horrifically wrong by all standards.

I have a better idea. Instead of complaining about and arguing against the notion of universal healthcare in the United States, let's adopt it, and put the full might of American ingenuity to work for us (something we haven't done in quite some time, I should add). Let's put our creativity and passion into fixing the problems in Universal Healthcare, and let's transform it into a uniquely American system. Yesterday was the 40th anniversary of humans walking on the face of the moon. Are you telling me that in 2009, we can't adopt Universal Healthcare and fix it up to suit our needs? I'm not saying it would be an easy task. I'm saying it would be a landmark achievement, something Americans can be genuinely proud of. The effort alone would create countless jobs, would force new ideas to the table, and would show other countries that we took something of theirs and re-built it into something better. We didn't invent the automobile. We didn't invent rocketry. But we most certainly progressed those fields considerably.

When you argue against universal healthcare, you're not arguing to support your beliefs. You're arguing to support insurance companies that wouldn't return the favor if you were injured in a serious accident or fell ill with the plague. You're arguing against our country's ability to adopt something and improve on it, as we've done with so many other things. But worst of all, you're arguing against the better health of your fellow Americans.

So, is Universal Healthcare evil? No, it isn't. It's certainly flawed, but that's something we could most definitely fix. Insurance companies have proven to us that they care very little about us. Why should we continue to put up with their abuse? What will it take for us to realize what they're doing to us? Universal healthcare isn't evil. But insurance companies most certainly are.

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Erik the Read

Unless I'm mislead, the last WHO ranking is 10 years old, maybe not the perfect source to be quoting?

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task. (source)

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
Matt Rock

If WHO came out with new rankings, I don't think we'd like the results very much. The statistics I've looked at while writing and after writing this article seem to point toward a decrease in our country's quality of healthcare during "The Bush Years." De-regulation lets health insurance companies get away with murder... slight pun intended.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT
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chick76

I do not think "socialized healthcare" is evil. I do think that corporations have proven themselves to be much more evil than I could have ever imagined. I do not trust an insurance company to do the right thing. I agree that we should be able to come up with our own unique way of handling insurance that suits us best. Hopefully Congress will be thoughtful with this and not rush in too quickly. Unfortunately, I kind of have my doubts about that.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:24 PM EDT
greck

I always marvel that the only way opponents of "socialized" healthcare can conceptualize it is no better than Canada's.

like we're incapable of doing ANYTHING better than Canada. Rush wasn't THAT great a band!

like doing anything as well as France or even close is COMPLETELY beyond our capacity.

we put a friggin' man on the moon, invented Jazz music, and we have the Iphone!

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
eriq samson

The comparisons with Canada are false in many ways. Canada is not as densely populated outside of the cities as the US; waiting times are longer because hospitals are smaller, farther away; being smaller they most often have far less equipment and have to wait longer for lab results, xrays, etc.

That is not an apples to apples comparison

Interestingly, though; once you are screened / admitted / seen, the length of time for service is smaller - they don't do nearly as many unneeded tests and the outcomes are better.

Hmmmmmmm .....

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
Matt Rock

I never thought about population density as it related to the hospital wait times... that's a very excellent point.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:16 PM EDT
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Jorge-958303

The problem is more ethnocentric. Socialized healthcare is not the American way, therefore it's 100% crap, horrible, Satanic, whatever. Kind of like... soccer. It's English and the World plays it so it's 100% gay, 100% wortless blah blah blah.

This is an idea so radical for the ultraconservative America-is-the-only-good-country-in-the-World-and-all-the-other-countries-are-100%-sh#t that they will never approve of it.

However, let's take it somewhere else... is there any way insurance companies can be regulated without having to resort to public healthcare? Can new business models be created? Can anyone set up a new insurance company that can battle the unethical ones? Has any of this been tried?

Unfortunately some ideas are too radical to impose right away, and socialized healthcare does have its downs, not much in the system as is the taxing in other areas to maintain that healthcare system.

The debate is just warming up... let the hate fly...

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:42 PM EDT
eriq samson

"is there any way insurance companies can be regulated without having to resort to public healthcare?"

In a word, NO.

The reason is the regulation needs to reduce costs and that means eliminating profit and the profit motive.

Not gonna happen, that's why a public option now is the only way to demonstrate this obvious truth

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:18 PM EDT
Jorge-958303

And yet, profit and the profit motive is what defines America... at least to a still good chunk of Americans. Oh, I am being a bit sarcastic on that one...

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:16 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Corporations are required by law to maximize their profits for their shareholders by any legal means necessary. So long as your health insurance provider is corporate, you won't get adequate healthcare, because they'll be doing everything in their power to deny even the smallest claims.

Some will argue that corporations benefit our society, and in some instances this may be true. But in healthcare? No thanks. Some guy in a cubicle five hundred miles away shouldn't have the right to determine whether or not a doctor will treat my ailment. Of course, some will say that it would be a beurocrat making that decision instead. But I've yet to hear of any instances of service denials in countries with universal healthcare... just service delays, which Eriq explained earlier.

For a company to compete with the health insurance industry, it would have to not be a corporation, convince doctors/ hospitals to accept their insurance, and put human lives ahead of profit margins. And find a way to offer their services at a cost that even the poor can afford. I simply don't see it happening in our society, sadly.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:25 PM EDT
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Merewen

Matt...

Excellent! Thank you!!!

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
Sunshine-731852

Every citizen of the United States should read this, Matt - it is phenominal. You have done us all a service by putting this together.

Thank you!

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:16 AM EDT
Rolland-1177446

Socialized Medicine/ Universal Healthcare DOES work, and I am happy to be a beneficiary of such! !!! It works here in Germany just fine, very few complaints. little to no wait time for Doctors, prices for Drugs are fixed/capped. Health Insurance is elective, and at minimal cost.

I can negotiate price with My Doctor/ & Dentist for services, & pay him directly.

But We pay high taxes, of which helps our government subsidize & operate our system of healthcare services, so that everyone can benefit.

and thankfully, Doctors & Physicians make the decisions, not any Insurance provider, in concern of an individual's health care.

I had already been involved in the VA healthcare system when I was still living in the States, and I had to fight for 16 years, for what was rightfully due to Me, ico treatment/care as a combat -wounded veteran, to absolutely no avail, because of bureaucracy, insurance coverage/non-coverage. & the private sector was not an option, as My necessary procedures were not covered, and the cost was outrageous! !!! 60,000 USD.

and living here as an Expat, contributing to My host country in employment/taxes, etc. I have enjoyed much better benefits , treatment, and genuine concern of My health from My doctors. The costs are substantially lower, only 5500 USD for what was required in My treatment personally, and a payment plan structured through My employer, paid directly to My doctor.

BUt of course, America will NEVER remove the profit/overhead from the healthcare system, as Insurance companies/ Pharmaceutical companies would scream that they were losing money! !!! Be damned if You live or die, healthy or ill, they want their money , one way or the other! !!!

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:48 AM EDT
Beckyal

Instead of a socialized medicine, we need to fix the costs associated with medical insurance, increase the number of doctors, increase the number of hospitals, decrease the costs of medicines (stop paying for the world's medicines), and stop many of the lawsuits. It is time for Americans and their elected politicans to worry about America and stop trying to pay for rest of the world. Let their government's (good or bad) worry about them. We do not have the resources and need to get our affairs in order and then maybe we can fix rest of the world but right now we need to focus on America and stop giving our resources away to other countries.

We have allowed China and India to take over jobs that should be in america and in addition we have provided them medicines that we have paid without any true benefit to America. Enough is enough!!!! Let us fix our medical insurance system not allow the government to run our lives and tell us what medical care we can have.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:15 AM EDT
Erik the Read

I don't think any amount of facts will convince you of the benefits of socialized health-care - with you, I honestly don't know where to start.

About the export of medical supplies as foreign aid - this is often a mixed blessing. American pharmacutical companies have been using aid as an excuse for tax write-offs, exporting out-dated bills and medicines for the wrong sicknesses. Local health authorities then face the problems of sorting through this trash and destroying it in an appropriate manner - a costly and time consuming process.

We did finally get the anti-viral medicine prices down so that people could afford them, after years of negotiations while the HIV sickness spread. Meanwhile the Bush administration imposed their catastrophic anti AIDS strategy on Africa. Only one place outside Africa is hit as bad. The black population of Washington D.C.

  • 7 votes
#8.1 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
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Florida_kes

Capitalism has proven time and time again to fail the health service industry.

Capitalism is very efficient at one thing and one thing only. Transferring wealth from the many to the few. It can be applied in many different forms and situations....but the bottom line is, that's the only reason it exists.

How some folks have deluded themselves into thinking that capitalism is the magical fix to all situations (even where profit is not a goal) is downright bizarre.

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT
eriq samson

Their brand of economics is a religion and like all religions, any contradictory facts must by definition be wrong; treason, heresy

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
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Matt Rock

Thank you to everyone for your awesome comments and the positive votes, it's good to know that this article is reaching people! I think it really says something about what we want in the US. Universal Healthcare could be made to work for us in this country if we really put some effort into it.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
my-pockets-r-mt

think it really says something about what we want in the US. Universal Healthcare could be made to work for us in this country if we really put some effort into it.

One problem, we don't get to decide, government decides and more often than not they are not looking out for our best interest.

Look at obama; he wants something, anything for him to sign, doesn't matter if it doesn't matter that the current bill has no numbers and clear solutions.

    #10.1 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT
    eriq samson

    mprm - WE are the government; WE decide by letting our congresspersons know what we want.

    Just imagine 100 million emails hitting washington DC - the reason you believe as you do is that most people do not participate in a participatory democracy. Quit being lazy and make your voice heard

    • 4 votes
    #10.2 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
    my-pockets-r-mt

    Believe me I do send many emails.

      #10.3 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:55 AM EDT
      soarl

      It's great that you do but now you need to convince your friends and relatives to do the same. Democracy doesn't work if no one wants to participate but once every 4 years.

      • 2 votes
      #10.4 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
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      Matt Rock

      We do have the power to vote, though, and replace those politicians with people who support our beliefs. I've written an email to the White House asking for universal healthcare, and if enough of us sent similar emails, I truly believe that President Obama would listen, and act.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#11 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
      Tex-988483

      Nice essay. I am in agreement with your overall assessments here, podna. I'm one of those, give or take, 46 mil without insurance. In fact, heading to a doktor is a serious dilemma in general. I only go if I cannot sew myself back together. From my perspective a drop in the quality of health care or even a waiting period is not a consideration. Any health care would be just peachy.

      Personally, I support Socialized Medicine and would like to see the profiteers removed from the scenario. I do not expect it in the least. The insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and the AMA stand to lose too much and are too powerful to thwart. On top of that, if you insert the word socialism into any argument or propaganda Americans go into fearful conniption. At least in my opinion and observation. Whatever we end up with will no doubt be a watered down useless bit of alteration that will leave folk like me in pretty much the same scenario we now face.

      best atcha. Thanks fer the essay......

      • 4 votes
      Reply#12 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
      Justinm91

      Hello. I just recently watched a documentary called Sicko. It is all about the healthcare of the United States and of foreign countries. What the US has is a corporate run system to please the few and screw the many, the few, of course, being those high in power-- and money.

      Something needs to be done, and soon, to end the corruption and disgusting shape of the United States health care. In fact, it seems like everything in America is falling apart. The auto industry, the airline industry, health care, even the document on which this country was founded, the US constitution has become a useless piece of paper.

      I will say here and now, I love my country. I love the USA, but if this corporate favoritism continues, I am surely going to leave my beloved country, for something better for the individual and for everyone, rather than the individual and himself alone.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#13 - Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
      soarl

      Sicko was an interesting documentary. Lot's of people will try to bag on Michael Moore but factually Sicko was extremely accurate.

      • 3 votes
      #13.1 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
      Erik the Read

      Michael Moore interviewed the Norwegian minister of health, but did not include it in his film. Asked why, he replied that the American public simply would not believe it. Why do I have the feeling he was right? (I read later that the interview was included in a TV version of the film)

      • 3 votes
      #13.2 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:10 PM EDT
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      Erik the Read

      Most of you think of health care as limited to medicine and surgery. Good health care goes beyond this to consider the whole life situation of the sick person and his family. Ideally, he should be able to work, communicate and enjoy life the way he did before he was sick, suffering few economic consequences.

      Some random instances of how this works in Norway:

      • A working wife gets a 200 dollar monthly subsidy for the losses she incurs at work for helping sick husband at home
      • Employer gets fully paid equipment such as specialized furniture so that his employee can keep on working while sick
      • Sick person gets help at home for nursing and house cleaning.
      • Impaired person may be retrained for new profession.
      • Sick person gets picked up at home with special bus or taxi paying a small fee for this. The trip can be for any purpose but only within Oslo city limits. Limited to 60 trips annually. This is not a part of ordinary health care but a special gift from the city of Oslo to its citizens.
      • 5 votes
      Reply#14 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:42 AM EDT
      loern_it

      Socialized healthcare works. I am from Scandinavia and I have never had to pay for anything other than antibiotics and dental care. Though, I do have a very cheap health insurance (about $20/month) which gives a lot of reimbursements for my visits to the dentist, as well as for perscription drugs, should I be needing it.

      In my case, all of the following was absolutely free and I only waited 2 - 3 weeks in general. Though, none of my issues were acute.

      • A visit to the ophthalmologist
      • Orthopedic surgery

      Sure, there are many cases where people complain about the wait for various procedures. Still, critical illnesses will always be performed in a timely manner.

      Personally, I would rather wait a bit for treatment rather than going bankrupt, or perhaps even denied treatment.

      I really hope you Americans can get through to the politicians and agree on a better model, which doesn't involve conning people.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#15 - Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:15 AM EDT
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