God Hates Morons

Oh, see here, that's not God. It's the Devil. And they were created to not only supply hell with fresh recruits, but to amuse and annoy the intelligent population on earth.

I love screwing with them when they come my way. I have some really funny signs in my house now.

God loves everyone. That's the great thing about JESUS he can and will forgive us for all of our stupid dumb actions " SINS " we have done and ever will do if we will accept him as GOD. He died for all of us, me, you, and them.

I'm very greatful, because I don't know about you, but I have done some very dumb things in my life. Thank You Jesus

I will have to say these people have some strange view of GOD and we should pray for them to find the TRUE LORD -- JESUS CHRIST -- maybe instead of hating maybe we should be tryng to talk to them.

Also the GOD of the old testament is the GOD of the new testament --John 1.:1 remember it is the holy trinity .. the Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Matter of the Heart ??? what if I told you my matter of the heart was to sleep with your mother, sister, wife and daughter at the same time .. that's what my heart tells me .. is that ok ?? then after sex we go out drinking doing drugs and rob your bank account .. is ok if it's a matter of my heart ??????

Yes because God sent his only Son " JESUS " to die for all of your sins John 3:36 He who believes in the son has everlasting life ..

So you don't want to save a person that wants your wife ?? but it's a matter of the heart ..

Yes because God sent his only Son " JESUS " to die for all of your sins John 3:36 He who believes in the son has everlasting life ..

Prove it. You have pictures? You have a recording of God saying such a thing? No. It's a fairy tale.

You have the bible .. Eye wittness accounts of Jesus .. remember he feed thousands .. healed the sick .. raised the dead ..

Why don't you believe it ?? Or why wouldn't you believe that ?? that's the question ..

You have the bible .. Eye wittness accounts of Jesus .. remember he feed thousands .. healed the sick .. raised the dead ..

That's not proof at all!! I can tell you about an evil computer system from the future called Skynet that sends two terminators back in time to kill the leader of the resistance, John Connor, before he can kill Skynet. That doesn't make it a true story.

that's future .. the gospels were wrote after Jesus death .. but the old testament told of his coming kind of like your vision, but Jesus has told you of that also so your stealing material. He said you will take the mark of the best so you will not buy or sell without it.

Kind of like a credit card .. need a computer to keep up with it .. also he tells you it will be nuclear war in the latter days ..

that's future ..

Oh crap, that's the future? Really? Guys, Judgement Day is coming!!! The machines are gonna kill us all!! So says ndeepnow the prophet!! LMAO!!

Zealots make me laugh and yet they scare me big time at same time!! Jesus H. Christ!!

machines kill us everyday .. guns tanks airplanes we see robotic crap coming out all the time, but that wasn't really what I said .. Skynet was an all out global war .. that is coming .. the bible tells you so

maybe be called something like WWIII

the bible tells you so

The Bible talks about John Connor and the war against Skynet? Oh boy!!! I am gonna go back and read it again. I must have missed a chapter or something LOL.

I loved the "Uncle Bob" T-800. No problemo!! Hasta La Vista Baby!!

never said that .. stay on point .. or get off

never said that .. stay on point .. or get off

That IS the point!!! You treat fairy tales as fact and expect everybody to treat them as fact too while you don't present a single piece of evidence for it.

Andrew

I must admit that you are 100% correct, there is no empirical proof of the Bible of its testaments.

But you now what, that is okay

In the darkest, loneliest and scariest times of my life in the Army and out, my faith and the bible I always had with me, sustained me along with my faith.

No one else need believe as I do and no one else will ever change the way I believe.

Have a great day

K .. lets start over .. we are talking about GOD hating Morons .. GOD tell me he loves me .. what does he tell you ???

@ Andrew3378

That IS the point!!! You treat fairy tales as fact and expect everybody to treat them as fact too while you don't present a single piece of evidence for it.

And here's the eternal struggle of the ideal known as 'faith'. Most religions, especially Christianity, don't give people the option of questioning it. So, if one truly devotes themselves to the gospel, then they have no choice but to defend the word..... without any evidence whatsoever to verify whether or not the word they are devoted to is indeed the word of the god they believe exists.

That's one of the main reasons why organized religion isn't appealing to me - nothing is impervious to impacts of time and place. EVERYTHING changes..... and yet, we are led to believe that a book pieced together and rewritten numerous times by alleged 'witnesses' of events which allegedly occurred thousands of years ago is somehow the guiding light for all things past, present, and future. It's a little too convenient for me.....

But, for those who buy-in, you're never going to be able to trump the "God" card - as your back and forth with ndeenow has proven ;) You'll constantly run into the "rock, paper, scissors, GOD!" argument, regardless of how you going about engaging in conversation.

what does he tell you ???

He tells me nothing because I don't think he exists, and all of the bible-thumping crazies out there *cough* are discriminating and killing each other to make themselves feel superior to one another.

That is what I believe.

I must admit that you are 100% correct, there is no empirical proof of the Bible of its testaments.

But you now what, that is okay

In the darkest, loneliest and scariest times of my life in the Army and out, my faith and the bible I always had with me, sustained me along with my faith.

That's fantastic!! I wasn't asking you not to believe. Whatever you believe should be respected for being your belief. You have that right.

The point I was trying to make is that many people who follow your religion as not as respectful of others. They state belief as facts and expect others to follow that same train of thought.

I don't put you in that camp now because I can see you seem pretty rational. You're a rare exception.

Jesus was a real person .. do you not believe this ? Even the muslims believe this ..

@ ndeepnow

Jesus was a real person .. do you not believe this ? Even the muslims believe this ..

There's a VERY big difference between "real person" and "walking on water, resurrected from the dead, all knowing, all seeing, creator of all things, trinity existence God"..... wouldn't you say?

Claiming not to believe in god doesn't automatically mean that the same person doesn't believe Jesus existed. It's that "leap of faith" from flesh and blood man to supreme being that tends to trip some rational thinking people up.

then why or how do you believe in Jesus ? where did u learn of him ??

ndeepnow

You have the bible .. Eye wittness accounts of Jesus .. remember he feed thousands .. healed the sick .. raised the dead ..

Why don't you believe it ?? Or why wouldn't you believe that ?? that's the question ..

WRONG ......obviously you have no clue about facts.

none of the people who knew Jesus ( if in fact he existed ) wrote a thing !!
The bible is not history or a biography. and there were other preachers , messiahs , christs long before and after Jesus who did the same things he supposedly did. Miracles were a dime a dozen then. you couldn't be a good street preacher in the first century without them.

Who Wrote the NT ...

The four gospels were written by anonymous authors beginning with Mark (70-75 CE) and ending with John (95-100 CE). They were written some forty plus years after his crucifixtion and are considered faith documents, midrash. Their purpose was to address the numerous questions being asked by various communities--hence the term "Gospel" or "Good News". They are not eye-witness accounts, not biographies and it is readily apparent that there is much theological editing already occurring.

From Jesus to Christ is considered one of the top sites dealing with Biblical scholarship.

What are the Gospels is based on one of the seminal works From Jesus to Christianity: How Four Generations of Visionaries & Storytellers Created the New Testament and Christian Faith by Professor L. Michael White
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ry/gospels.html

Here is an excellent discussion from various Biblical scholars, with varying viewpoints, regarding the Gospels ...

HOUR THREE follows the story of the first attempts to write the life of Jesus--the Gospels: The Gospels were products of social and religious reconstruction in the period after the war, ranging from roughly 70 to after 100 C.E. The program looks at how these stories were passed down before they were written. And how the writing of each Gospel reflects the experiences and circumstances of early Christians. They do not all tell the same story of Jesus because each one is responding to a different audience and circumstances. For example, Matthew's gospel is clearly written for a Jewish Christian audience; it is the most Jewish of all the gospels.

During this time, a growing tension appeared between the emergent Christian groups and their Jewish neighbors. The result was a process of debate, identity, and separation that shaped both religious traditions forever. And there were still other external forces, including a second, devastating Jewish war, the Bar Kochbah revolt, which erupted in 132 C.E.

SOURCE: From Jesus to Christ
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...c/synopsis.html

None of the Gospels make any claim that they were written by the names attributed to them--Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. These names were assigned much later. Even some early Church Bishops we aware of this ...

"It is certain that the New Testament was not written by Christ himself, nor by his apostles, but a long while after them, by some unknown persons, who, lest they should not be credited when they wrote of affairs they were little acquainted with... Many things have been inserted by our ancestors in the speeches of our Lord which, though put forth under his name, agree not with his faith; especially since--as already it has been often proved--these things were written not by Christ, nor [by] his apostles, but a long while after their assumption, by I know not what sort of half Jews, not even agreeing with themselves, who made up their tale out of reports and opinions merely, and yet, fathering the whole upon the names of the apostles of the Lord or on those who were supposed to follow the apostles, they maliciously pretended that they had written their lies and conceits according to them."--St. Faustus, Fifth-Century French Bishop

AND:

[i]... According to early tradition, Mark was the interpreter of Peter, and Luke of Paul, while Matthew and John were members of Jesus' inner group of disciples. Yet not only do the Gospels themselves not make these claims, but the names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were assigned later to the texts...--Oxford History of the Biblical World, Levine, Amy-Jill, p., 493

All of the books and epistles contained in the New Testament are anonymous--save for seven of the thirteen Pauline epistles. An excellent read on this topic is entitled "The Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew" by Professor Bart D. Ehrman. You can go to the URL below and actually read the introduction to this work. Enlightening to say the least.

The Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0195141830...00W#reader-link

Here you can listen to an interview on said subject with Ehrman ...

'Lost Christianities'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3250048

For those interested in a more indepth look at this topic from Duke Divinity School ...

MSS. Resources:

Text and Tradition: The Role of New Testament Manuscripts in Early Christian Studies
http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/vol05/Ehrman2000a.html

Lecture Two: Text and Transmission: The Historical Significance of the "Altered" Text
http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/vol05/Ehrman2000b.html

Other MSS Resources:

TEXTUAL TRANSMISSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
http://members.aol.com/PS418/manuscript.html

The Textual Reliability of the New Testament (1)
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/reli1.htm

The Textual Reliability of the New Testament (2)
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/reli2.htm

Jesus was a real person .. do you not believe this ? Even the muslims believe this ..

As a matter of fact, yes, I do believe Jesus was a real person. There seem to be lots of witnesses from the time that wrote their respective stories of him. Muslims do have references to him in the Quoran, they called him Isa.

From there to say that he was the son of God, no, I don't believe that at all. He may have been a very enlightened human with lots to teach us but human nonetheless. He was just like Mohammed or Ghandi or Zoroaster or Buddha.

The Church which was not founded until 300 yrs later was the one that stole symbols from Pagan religions of the time in order to gather followers. The more followers, the more power. The immaculate conception idea was stolen from Egyptian mythology. The birth of Christ was set on December 25th to take the holiday away from the Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice and the whole son of God concept was stolen from Greek mythology, more specifically Hercules.

Matt Rock I respect everything you believe .. everything .. Jesus told you that you had a choice .. Have it .. I have no problem with it, but we have to learn about our GOD from somewhere. He wrote us our life story from the begining to the end through 40 people over 1500 years. Believe it or not

@ ndeepnow

then why or how do you believe in Jesus ? where did u learn of him ??

I know the argument you're trying to make here; you're certainly not the first to make it. However, it's a structurally shallow argument.

Before the age of capturable moments - photos, videos; verifiable record keeping in general - history was written by those who were in power. So, as not to post a lengthy explanation of this, let me respond to your question by framing it in a parallel example. Let me respond to your question while also responding to the question "Why or how do I believe in Christopher Columbus? Where did I learn of him?"

With that premise....

I learned of Jesus through the passing down of biblical stories allegedly written by individuals whom claimed to bear witness to some of their writings. I learned of Christopher Columbus through elementary history books.

Biblical stories taught me that Jesus was the son of God (but also was God) and that God was the creator of all things. Elementary history books taught me that Christopher Columbus was a great man worthy of his own day of celebration.

Conversely, science has taught me that what the Bible states may not be true. Every piece of verifiable information points to the notion that the Earth is much, much older than most biblical scholars would have me believe. Every piece of verifiable information points to the notion that someone who dies can't come back to life, and every piece of verifiable information points to the notion that evolution exists in some form.

Along those lines, scholars who have studied the existence of Christopher Columbus have showed me that what my elementary history books taught me may not be true. It appears that there's a high likelihood that Columbus was not a nice man, that he pillaged the Native Americans whom inhabited the land that he later went on to take credit for 'discovering'.

Get the picture?? When there's no means of verifiable proof, just about anything can fill the void.......

@ Andrew

The Church which was not founded until 300 yrs later was the one that stole symbols from Pagan religions of the time in order to gather followers. The more followers, the more power. The immaculate conception idea was stolen from Egyptian mythology. The birth of Christ was set on December 25th to take the holiday away from the Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice and the whole son of God concept was stolen from Greek mythology, more specifically Hercules.

I too am intrigued by the recycling of the creation story that Christianity is based upon. Again, it all seems just a little too convenient.... ;)

Ripley8 -- Couldn't read your sorry .. it made no sense

-- Matthew was a Disciple .. Mark was based off of Peter -- Luke was from Paul -- john was he disciple that also wrote the book of revelations

He wrote us our life story from the begining to the end through 40 people over 1500 years. Believe it or not

I don't.

we have to learn about our GOD from somewhere. He wrote us our life story from the begining to the end through 40 people over 1500 years. Believe it or not

That's assuming that he does exist, which I don't think he does. Humans have this need to seek our purpose in life, which could have created this domino effect that we call organized religion. There's just too much evidence out there that religion is BS these days for me to take it seriously.

jumpshotjarrod --- The bible doesn't say how old the world is .. GOD said he created Heavens and Earth .. but the story picks up at Adam .. that's been about 6000 years by points in history that we know to be true .. IE .. Kings that wer written about who lived at that time who their family was .. you can trace it all back ..

I believe you need to read 2 timothy 3:7 .. ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of

Andrew3378 -- do you know the 10 commandments ??? Make no graven Images .. put no gods before me

@ ndeepnow

jumpshotjarrod --- The bible doesn't say how old the world is .. GOD said he created Heavens and Earth ..

Of course, we have no way of knowing if god actually said this.... or if god even exists to say such a thing.

but the story picks up at Adam .. that's been about 6000 years by points in history that we know to be true .. IE .. Kings that wer written about who lived at that time who their family was ..

Great.... but there's a pretty big gap between approximately 6000 and 4.5 Billion.

you can trace it all back ..

Which part?? I certainly can't trace back the talking serpent..... it doesn't appear that snakes could talk at ANY point in the earth's history.......

I believe you need to read 2 timothy 3:7 .. ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of

Reading it is one thing; believing it is quite another. I don't need to draw motivation or reason for existence from a man made book..... I can handle that all by myself. The bible hasn't cornered the market on wisdom, knowledge, honesty, integrity, or compassion. Those things existed before the Bible did, and they'll exist long after the Bible is gone.

If I were in a facetious mood, I could reference you to the exact same passage ;)

GOD said he created Heavens and Earth .. but the story picks up at Adam .. that's been about 6000 years by points in history that we know to be true ..

There you go again ndeepnow LOL

There is no proof God said anything, unless you have a recording of God's voice.

You're citing the bible as fact when the evidence says Earth is billions of years old.

Moses wrote that .. He also was handed the 10 commandments by GOD .. he did not take credit for it .. he could have but didn't .. all of these men gave credit to a higher being .. Moses was there at the burning bush at the parting of the sea ..

Why does the GAP bother you ??

well he " SATAN "has a bunch of names ..

Andrew3378 -- who cares how old the earth is .. we are talking about us . and since Adam it has been about 6000 years

jumpshotjarrod -- a book written by 40 different men over 1500 years that fits like a glove .. do you know of any other book like that ???

Moses was there at the burning bush at the parting of the sea ..

Oh really? Did you record it? Was Charlton Heston, that lovable NRA maniac staying in character? If not, I'll have to send Harry Potter to give him a whack on the head.

who cares how old the earth is .. we are talking about us . and since Adam it has been about 6000 years

Again, wrong. Human beings have been around for about 1 million yrs and we descended from primates not molded out of clay. There is plenty of evidence that supports this. Where is your evidence?

@ ndeepnow

jumpshotjarrod -- a book written by 40 different men over 1500 years that fits like a glove .. do you know of any other book like that ???

I don't know ANY book like that... including the bible. Claiming that it 'fits like a glove' is comical, if nothing else.

why would he make this up and then how did 39 other people come behind him and could pick up .. the bible fits like a glove .. the story is complete .. from the beginning to the end .. I believe we are at the end .. the lord will be here soon .. all the signs are here that Jesus told u of ... all of them

jumpshotjarrod --thats the truth .. what argument do you have over that ?

Andrew3378 -- You may have come from a monkey .. I have even heard some atheist say maybe a martin took a big steamy crap and they become that .. hey get in where you fit in ..

I'm a son of Adam in flesh and a son of JESUS born again in spirit .. I have now become flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone

Matt Rock .. do you have any proff of that .. have a news paper article with that date on it ????

You may have come from a monkey .. I have even heard some atheist say maybe a martin took a big steamy crap and they become that .. hey get in where you fit in ..

I'm a son of Adam in flesh and a son of JESUS born again in spirit .. I have now become flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone

There's the zealot with a complex of superiority coming out to play. You just gotta love the self righteous pigs thinking they're better than anybody else. I take it back. You're not rational, you're a conceited brat.

Hey ndeepnow, make sure to give Skynet a big fat kiss before Sauroman takes your ring to Captain Kirk so that he can stop the Martians from invading a galaxy far, far, away. LOL

@ ndeepnow

the bible fits like a glove .. the story is complete .. from the beginning to the end

LOL - Really? Does that 'complete' story include ANYTHING of Jesus's early years? Did this guy come out of the virginal womb a full grown man in his 30's? That HAD to be tough on Mary. What a raw deal - she gets pregnant without having sex, and then has to give birth to a full grown man.

Also, does the 'complete' story explain how human beings existed before god was said to have created them?

jumpshotjarrod --thats the truth .. what argument do you have over that ?

Is that how rational debate works? - You arbitarily claim something is true, without providing ANY verifiable evidence to support your claim. And then you ask me to 'prove the negative'; as a retort to your unproven assertion..... Hilarious.

what .. did you not say you came from a monkey ?? so you get mad at me for repeating you? I'm better than no one. I'm a dirty sinner ..a flithy rag ..

I need Jesus .. he washes me clean .. because I still fall short .. all the time doing something I shouldn't .. but I reprnt ask forgivness and he said he would if I ask .. I ASK

Remember the child born in the stable .. LOL ... remeber when he was like 12 they lost Jesus and they found him teaching

Remember John Connor when he was 9 and he meets the T-800 and the T-1000? What's your point? Now you're just rambling padre.

JESUS give an account of the world from the beginning to the end .. He did not give you a play by play .. we would just turn to the last page .. we wouldn't have free choice ..

Andrew3378 .. you need to read jumpshotjarrod post

ndee- Proof of what? The fact that humans have existed for more than 6,000 years? I have plenty of proof.... in the fact that we have skeletons from 11,000 years ago.

@ ndeepnow

Remember the child born in the stable .. LOL ... remeber when he was like 12 they lost Jesus and they found him teaching

One sighting from Birth to John huh? And you call that 'complete'? Nice....

Matt Rock .. do you have any proff of that .. have a news paper article with that date on it ????

So you think scientists are wrong in their analysis of uncovered remains of both human beings and things that could have only been created by humans?? You don't believe in things like this, but you will believe in this?

Again, it's the "rock, paper, scissors, GOD!" argument.... and there's no reason for me to continue to engage - take care, nice chattin with ya'.

Nice one, jumpshot!

we have no proof that any scientist is right on dates .. how can we prove this ????

we can only go back 6000 years in writting

When multiple scientists come to the same time period over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over by carbon dating and other stuff they do.

It's more accurate than your stupid book.

Leafydebater .. Most Christians come up with 6000 years .. we have a book to prove it .. we know the major players through time .. we know that Jesus walked the eart about 2000 years ago .. we know 6000 years

remember the begets

Leafydebater .. Most Christians come up with 6000 years .. we have a book to prove it .. we know the major players through time .. we know that Jesus walked the eart about 2000 years ago .. we know 6000 years

You don't know jack. You ignore science and reason which is where knowledge is. All you have are delusions.

no we can follow history .. the bible is correct on it .. kings - kingdoms

psalm 14:1 THe fool has said in his heart,

there is no GOD

they are corrupt they have done abominable works,

there is none who does good

no we can follow history .. the bible is correct on it .. kings - kingdoms

LMAO!! I swear, if God hates morons, this guy is a prime choice to hate. I'm gonna stop feeding the troll otherwise he'll keep preaching his nonsense.

1 Corinthians 1:18 -- For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of GOD for it is written

Do you understand this ??????

they say the truth cuts like a double edge sword

Andrew3378 -- the beauty of it is .. JESUS can and will save you if you accept him as lord and savior and ask him into your heart .. tell him to make you what he wants you to be .. and he will .. you will have ever lasting life ..

Andrew3378

Jesus was a real person .. do you not believe this ? Even the muslims believe this ..

As a matter of fact, yes, I do believe Jesus was a real person. There seem to be lots of witnesses from the time that wrote their respective stories of him.

there are no eyewitness from the time Jesus supposedly lived that wrote a thing. fact.

ndeepnow

Moses wrote that .. He also was handed the 10 commandments by GOD .. he did not take credit for it .. he could have but didn't .. all of these men gave credit to a higher being .. Moses was there at the burning bush at the parting of the sea ..

Why does the GAP bother you ??

well he " SATAN "has a bunch of names ..

lmao. Moses didn't write a thing. the 10 commandments??

"Mount Sinai" was a fusion of the triple peak now known as Gebel Serabit al Khadim, al Mene-ijje (Har Timna) and possibly the mountain at Har Karkum, which I believe was the biblical Mount Perin. The Exodus/Ten Commandments story is a garbled recounting of events.

On both Serabit al Khadim and Har Timna there are temples to Hathor; although the one at Har Timna is better-described as a shrine. Moses went up a mountain with a Temple of Hathor on it and came down carrying the Ten Commandments.

The Egyptians had a set of ideals called the 42 Principles of Maat. These started out around 3800 BC as ideals to follow, but eventually acquired the force of law. Eight of the Ten Commandments are verbatim copies of principles from the 42 principles. The other two deal with how to relate to god and were apparently later additions.

The three peaks of Serabit al Khadim are Gebel Saniya (Mount Sinai), Gebel Ghorabi (Mount Horeb) and Gebel Serabit al Khadim (Pillars of the Slaves). Hathor had a title meaning "She who is in Sinai", in Coptic spelled "hrt ib". The Coptic t is so soft as to be nearly non-existent; it is thus pronounced "Horib." The Temple of Hathor actually stands on the northwest spur of Gebel Ghorabi/Mount Horeb.

The biblical name Rephidim is said to mean "Place of Pillars." The only pillars in the vicinity are those of the temple. In the vicinity are numerous rock carvings containing chiselled lettering. One contains the name "Phineas." Another describes a proper offering to the gods and would fit into Leviticus without missing a beat. Others are carvings on free-standing stones, now broken. To seventh-century BC travelers who couldn't read what they said, the story of Moses dropping and breaking the commandments was a good explanation of what they saw.

I submit that the Ten Commandments are of EGYPTIAN, not Jewish, origin and predate the existence of Israel by over a thousand years.

BTW: In the Bible story, after receiving the Ten Commandments (Thou shalt not kill.), Moses orders the murder of 3000 people in revenge for worship of the golden calf. The Israelites were barely out of site of Mount Saniya before they engaged the Amalekites, killing thousands more.

Biblical Patriarchs Abraham & Moses NEVER EXISTED As the Bible Portrays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAbOJ_-Xfic

and Satan ? a myth christians embellished .

if one actually knows the bible ??

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6)

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)

seems God is the source of evil. Satan ? still an angel of God according to the OT with a crappy job. he can do nothing unless God gives him the ok. ( remember the story of Job ? )

And the answer to that is always prove it! Which nobody can. I have always said if the other side is so great do you not think that maybe some enterprising soul would have by now found a way back to tell us?

Now on to my disclaimer. I am not doubting your religion or the fact that you believe. I have been debating religions for years going back to the HS I attended which was catholic. I believe that everyone should have the forethought to dream what we are and what we will become after we die. Exercising your brain with those thoughts when you come to the end of it all and must then go to the you have to believe part you should ignore that and demand proof. Thats what scientists do and the fact that almost ever organized religion appears to hate scientists (who maybe one day may find that what they preach is true!) is scary.

I would also like to say this is an excellent article. One other thing that is lost in this swamp is that while we have rights along with them being granted under our form of government there is a thought that we will use them correctly. In this case you can see that they have the right but they should have known better. Just like the Nazi's marching through a Jewish neighborhood yes they have the right but do they have the intelligence to use said right correctly. In this case the answer is a resounding no.....

ndeepnow

Ripley8 -- Couldn't read your sorry .. it made no sense

-- Matthew was a Disciple .. Mark was based off of Peter -- Luke was from Paul -- john was he disciple that also wrote the book of revelations

I'm saddened your ignorance keeps you from understanding the facts I put out.

no eyewitnesses or disciples who knew Jesus wrote a thing.

"... works of modern textual criticism have revealed data which constitute a 'revolution in methods of Biblical exegesis' so that the facts relating to Jesus recorded in the Gospels are no longer 'to be taken literally', they are 'writings suited to an occasion' or 'combat writings'. Modern knowledge has brought to light the history of Judeo-Christianity and the rivalry between communities which accounts for the existence of facts that today's readers find disconcerting. The concept of eyewitness evangelists is no longer defensible, although numerous Christians still retain it today... It was almost obligatory to have such stories available," the theologian says; "they were stock stories told to convert people to Jesus." Tales of virgin births, divine heroes, and miracles workers were relatively common 2,000 years ago and simply did not mean what they do to us today."--Kerry Temple (PhD), Editor, Notre Dame Magazine

The internal evidence against the authenticity of the Fourth Gospel is conclusive. The Apostle John did not write it. John, the apostle, was a Jew; the author of the Fourth Gospel was not a Jew. John was born at Bethsaida; the author of the Fourth Gospel did not know where Bethsaida was located. John was an uneducated fisherman; the author of this Gospel was an accomplished scholar. Some of the most important events in the life of Jesus, the Synoptics declare, were witnessed by John; the author of this knows nothing of these events. The Apostle John witnessed the crucifixion; the author of this Gospel did not. The Apostles, including John, believed Jesus to be a man; the author of the Fourth Gospel believed him to be a god.

Regarding the authorship of the Fourth Gospel, Dr. Davidson says: "The Johannine authorship has receded before the tide of modern criticism, and though this tide is arbitrary at times, it is here irresistible" (Canon of the Bible, p. 127).

and lastly ???

James Kelhoffer, an assistant professor of theological studies at Saint Louis University:

"Many people who have interpreted the rich symbolism and mythology of [Revelation] have read into it to reflect on a world cataclysm within their lifetime. It greatly misunderstands ancient Jewish and Christian prophets who always talk about apocalypses within their own time, not several centuries hence.

they are corrupt they have done abominable works, there is none who does good

Tell that to Hugh Laurie, Ricky Gervais, Natalie Portman, Bill Gates, John Lennon, Douglas Adams, and a whole army of scientists scattered around the world.

They've revolutionized our world through art, science, music and laughter more than you ever will.

WOW ..LOL.. Moses did write hte first five books of the old testament .. Moses was given the 10 commandments ..

Let me also explain this .. Remember God Created Adam and Eve .. So their children new of GOD .. no reason to write a book at the time .. Then GOD flooded the earth .. Noah and his kids new GOD ..

It wasn't until it was needed that the book was written .. so maybe the Egyptians BS made GOD inspire great men to write his book .. because JESUS had to get it right . Make no graven images and put no gods before me.

Shall not kill .. is MURDER .. you should not murder .. It has always been wars and always will untill JESUS returns .. it has been written

Those would not repent of this and come back to the GOD who had saved them.

GOD did not make EVIL .. what did he make ??

and I do no the story .. the DEvil may as well asked .. GOD know anyway .. the devil was hoping that job would fall

logdump -- The Rich Man and Lazarus .. sounds like a must read for you Luke 16:19-31 ..

Ripley8 -- ???????????????

ndeep...your vast ignorance and denial of facts is amazing !!! you must have won awards to remain so !

The Gunshark .. then i tell them all

ripley8 -- i have never heard any of that you say .. Revelation 1:1 the revelation of Jesus Christ .. he sent and signified it by his angel and servant JOHN --

this same servant JOHN when let out of prison wrote the book of JOHN the last book penned in the new testament

Job was the first book written and Gosple of John was the last ..

ndee- the New Testament was written 300-600 years after Jesus' death.

Your constant referrance to the damn bible is what's making you look like a fool. The bible is not FACT as you keep saying it is. It is full of BELIEFS. Now, time and time again scientific fact (ie: the age of the earth, the creation of the world) keeps outstripping your biblical BELIEFS.

If Jesus did live (which we're pretty sure he did), he was born in January, not December, and before the year 1, not on it. He may have gone around teaching "god's" values and whatnot, but there is no proof anywhere that he received them from god- and before you start on your damn bible facts again, refer to paragraph one of my statement.

The earth is older than 6000 years. We have scientific evidence that proves this. I don't care about the writings of man, the age of a rock is more accurate than a piece of writing- and yes, they can determine the age of a rock. People lived more than 6000 years ago, because we have artifacts, like the rock, we can prove their age. The Bible cannot prove anything because there is nothing but itself to back it up, and we don't even know how accurate the bible is. It could be complete bull@!$%# written at a party for all we know.

Oh, and want SOLID proof?

The world's oldest clonal tree is the Old Tjikko, a Norway Spruce tree to be found on the Fulu Mountain in Dalarna, Sweden. According to scientists at Umeå University the tree is 9550 years old, taking root at the end of the last ice age.^[1]

The world is older than 6,000 years, and there were humans during the ice age.

DNFTT. It's like arguing with a child.

As long as there is only one book in the library, the argument will be the same...

ndeepnow....don't even try to get through to any of them. Anything they don't understand they call ignorant. I can assure you that if a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist were to get on here and say the things you were bold enough to say....no word would be heard from them!

Matt, I always enjoy your articles whether I agree or not! Thank you.

Never have i saw anything that said the bible was written after 100 AD .. NOTHING .. I don't care if the world is oder than 6000 years ..since ADAM 6000 years .. BUT let me ask you this .. isn't it funny we have imformation back 6000 years and then it just falls off .. so if man was here before that why don't we have any writtings .. for million years we wer to dumb to write ????

Never said Jesus was born on Christmas day .. but you can tell by seeing when john the baptist was born .. he was born 6 months before JESUS ..

where else do you go to get information on JESUS the bible .. so I have more for you .. JOHN 5:19 The son can do nothing of himself but only what he see the father do for whatever he does the son does the same

Isn't Jesus beautiful ..he answers all your questions

magnoliaave -- Matt I have no problem with your article .. I was just trying to point out JESUS can forgive you no matter what you have done if you ask .. that's the good news .. I just wanted everyone to know that .. JESUS is love ..

Matt I even understand your anger .. these people are bad

magnoliaave -- thanks -- and I understand they can't .. they are in the dark

John 1:4-5

^4(F)In Him was life, and the life was ^(G)the Light of men.

^5(H)The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not ^[a]comprehend it.

It "falls off" because we didn't have a written form of writing past 6,000 years ago. What we know comes from physical forms of matter- stone tools, bones, etc. We've grown more advanced since the dawn of time. So, while we were not, as you put it, "too dumb to write", we were too primitive. Same reason we didn't have computers or atom smashers 6,000 years ago.

where else do you go to get information on JESUS the bible

That's my problem with the bible right there: there's NOTHING to back up the bible. There is only the bible itself, and one source can never cut it as being fact. That's why scientists do experiments over and over again, to make sure their discoveries are facts, not errors.

"Stop judging by mere appearances, and make the right judgement" (John 7:24). Stop judging by what the bible says, and look at the facts of this world. We have evidence, actual, physical objects of human existence before Adam. We have destroyed some of those objects to determine their age, and yet you still judge because of some words on a page. That is what people around here call ignorant.

It does talk about Alexander the great .. he is the leopard on the book of Daniel .. he took over the Medes and Persians .. he is the leopard because he took over the all the nation by the time he was 33 I believe ..

The New Testament is all about Jesus .. John 14:6 he is the truth the way and the life .. no one comes to the father but by me

leaf .. LOL ..

Matt, I am aware of the theory you cited and, certainly, I read what you said with an open mind because I do respect how you present yourself.

So, since you have given your take on Christianity..how about tackling the Muslims' religion! Could you tell them that they are wrong?

The bottom line is those people at the Westboro Church are evil! Period!

Two can play the bible game ndee.

Seems there's a big argument going on over mythology.

Stupid is as stupid does...

ndeepnow

For all I know, you may be the nicest person in the world... but you still present yourself like a member of the Westboro Baptist Church or any other religious fanatic with a veiled sense of righteousness and superiority, and this attitude helps support the most foul and offensive elements of religious fundamentalism.

I know that the evangelical Christian excuse is "I'm a sinner like everyone else, I'm no better, I'm just saved by my belief, and you can be, too!" But you really are proclaiming your superiority, you know; you are one of God's Country Club elect, because your Truth is truer than anybody else's Truths. Those of us who don't agree... well, poor lost lambs, I'll pray for you, or just accept that our kind, merciful, loving Lord will consign you all to the Eternal Torture Chamber for your failure the believe The Right Thing. And, of course, since there is no real evidence other than repeated tales, the chapters and verses of which get wearisomely belabored for generation after generation, the belief needs to be decided on "Faith," which is an emotional declaration that 'I'm not going to ask any questions.'

I myself believe that there is a natural spiritual element to the Universe that it is good to attend to; but religion is stuff and nonsense. There are two parts to the directive to 'be like the little children;' the sense of wonder is marvelous. But they are also gullible as all get out.

@ Matt Rock

I got sidetracked with my initial comments to your article, and thus forgot to mention: Great work. I find your articles to be well written and worth the read everytime.

To the particular topic of the article: Westboro. I too find myself utterly disgusted with their 'calling'. I think it's a fantastic example of the adage "just because you have the right, doesn't make it right". We so often abuse the rights we have; regularly failing to recognize the responsibility that comes with said rights.

The other element of Westboro that concerns me is actually something I wrote an article on a while back: Basically, because religious text is so deeply unfalsifiable, there's no final recourse to go about dismantling Westboro's logic. There's no consensus among Christians what the Bible means, let alone everyone else. Thus, just as a preacher like Jim Wallis can draw from scripture the notion that God's number one mission for all humans is to care for one another - especially the poor - Westboro can claim they are doing God's work by condemning gays and staging protests at the funerals of fallen soldiers. And no one is really in any position to say who's right and who's wrong.

I think Westboro's 'interpretation' of scripture (genuine or not) is a stark reminder of just what can happen when we allow religious dogma to dominate our views - even scarier to think that such a dogmatic mindset exists within politics.... and every other authoritative body in the country (and world).

this is my problem .. everybody believes it believers in GOD .. they really may not believe at all and just telling you they do .. Jesus said it will be many false christ .. you should be saying I can't believe someone would use Christianity like that ..

Few people behave in a vacuum (well maybe the Westboro because something vacuumed their brain out). Just joking (maybe). Anyway people act and even believe as they do for an assortment of reasons: And those reasons are often a multilayer web with threads coming in from everywhere including learning, experience, influence of religion, society, friends, family, upbringing.

Westboro people are acting out a fantasy in which they are very very important people inspired by a god and given a difficult mission to save everyone else. People feeling helpless, unimportant, and somehow 'less' are given this opportunity to feel like warriors with a heavenly mission. The more the 'outside' (everyone else but them) reacts to their behavior and challenges them, the more important they feel. The best way to deal with them is to behave like they do not expect or just completely ignore them. Demonstrating at funerals gives them the attention they crave. If no one notices them, it kind of ruins it for them.

Guys, seriously DNFTT.

Arguing with ndeepnow is like arguing with a wall. His ignorance is boundless and he revels in it.

exactly Andrew , but I figure putting out facts is never a bad thing.

Leafydebater

If Jesus did live (which we're pretty sure he did), he was born in January, not December, and before the year 1, not on it. He may have gone around teaching "god's" values and whatnot, but there is no proof anywhere that he received them from god- and before you start on your damn bible facts again, refer to paragraph one of my statement.

actually we're not sure he lived ... if so it seems he became an amalgamation of various beliefs and older myths , political and religious agenda. a fish story ( excuse the pun ) a sun fish that got away turned into a whale on the drive home.

actually , if one goes by the bible ? Jesus seems to have been born around the Feast of Tabernacles (September/October) in the period from 8 to 5BCE. The Bible says there were shepherds in the fields keeping watch over their flock at night at the time he was born (Luke 2:8). This could not have been possible in December, as there were no sheep in the fields then. It would have been about the ninth month in the lunar calendar and the Bible also says it was a cold and rainy time of the year in that part of the world (Ezra 10:9).

There was a baby lamb in the manger. Lambs are born in January...

Whatever, I'm not religious so this argument won't go my way. But ndee-

this is my problem .. everybody believes it believers in GOD .. they really may not believe at all and just telling you they do .. Jesus said it will be many false christ .. you should be saying I can't believe someone would use Christianity like that ..

Again with the god thing. You're accepting Christianity as the only truth (which is ignorant) and we're accepting whatever we want to accept is the truth. You can have your stupid book. We'll take our brains and our hearts.

Leafydebater

There was a baby lamb in the manger. Lambs are born in January...

interestingly ...

Bible God Jesus vs. Pagan Osiris vs. Persian Mithra
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian/T7VLETH97EJJN5S8G

from The Influence of Mithra

The chief incident of Mithra's life was his struggle with a symbolical bull, which he overpowered and sacrificed, and from the blood of the sacrifice came the world's peace and plenty, typified by ears of corn. The bull appears to signify the earth or mankind, and the implication is that Mithra, like Christ, overcame the world; but in the early Persian writings Mithra is himself the bull [J.M. Robertson, /Pagan Christs/, p. 298.], the god thus sacrificing himself, which is a close approximation to the Christian idea. In later times the bull is interchangeable with a ram; but the zodiacal ram, Aries, which is associated with Mithra, was replaced by a lamb in the Persian zodiac [Bundahish, ii. 2.], so that it is a lamb which is sacrificed [Garucci, /Les Myste`res du Syn. Phrygien/, p. 34.], as in the Paschal conception of Jesus. That this sacrifice had originally a human victim, and that it later involved the idea of the sacramental death of a human being, is clear from the fact that the Church historian, Socrates, believed that human victims were still sacrificed in the Mithraic mysteries down to some period before A.D. 360 [Socrates, /Eccles. Hist.], bk. iii., ch. 2.].

Thus the paramount Christian idea of the sacrifice of the lamb of God was one with which every worshipper of Mithra was familiar; and just as Mithra was an embodiment of the seven spirits of God, so the slain Lamb in the Book of Revelation has seven horns and seven eyes ``which are the seven spirits of God'' [Rev. v. 6.]. Early writers say that a lamb was consecrated, killed, and eaten as an Easter rite in the Church; but Easter was a Mithraic festival [Macrobius, /Saturnalia/, i. 18.], presumably of the resurrection of their god, and the parallel is thus complete, in which regard it is to be noted that in the Seventh Century the Church endeavoured without success to suppress the picturing of Christ as a lamb, owing to the paganism involved in the idea [Bingham, /Christian Antiq./, viii. 8, sec. 11; xv. 2, sec. 3.].

http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/mithra7.htm

Mithra: The Pagan Christ
http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm

2 timothy 3:7 ALWAYS LEARNING AND NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH

See the Word Of JESUS answers everything you guys just said .. you are steady learning everything that doesn't matter and the all mighty tells you this

BUT ALSO READ THE FIRST PART 2 TIMOTHY 3:1:6 .. IT IS SPEAKING OF THE LAST DAYS

Seriously guys...

Stop feeding him.

God himself could come down and tell this guy that the entire bible was an elaborate practical joke, created on a bet with one of the other gods, to separate the sheep-like people from the populous (perhaps so they would have a good crop of obedient servants in "heaven"). And this guy would tell that hippie to F off, because it didn't say anything about a practical joke in his Bible...

Seriously...It's the same thing when your child learns something in kindergarten: they come home and 'preach" it to you because they think that they are the only one that has ever told the story. You can't argue the issue with them, because their teacher told them about it in a simplified "kindergarten way". So just "learn" about the dinosaurs or why it rains or whatever interesting factoid they learned at school that day and move on...

Stop arguing with children; it never works.

ndeepnow

Jesus was a real person .. do you not believe this ? Even the muslims believe this ..

If that were true the FOX news would be condemning him at least twice a week & every self respecting republican would be calling on churches to be banned

Don't you people have jobs? -- First off I'm not arguing .. I'm stating facts .. and again the truth cuts like a double edge sword ..

Did you know that TRUTH has a name ??? It's JESUS .. I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE .. no one comes to the FATHER but by ME .. John 14:6

your not arguing with me .. you are arguing with JESUS .. I give scripture his word to prove it

be careful because it will be one who comes down from heaven and claims to be god .. he is the devil himself .. he will take over a person body and give him his power ..

JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT are my TEACHERS .. greater is he who is in me then who is in this world

BUT if anyone would like to feed me .. I like waffles pancakes bacon eggs steak fries pizza or you can just send money and I will feed myself .. THANKS

I have wondered who the woman that Cain married came from if Adam and Eve were the first humans and Cain and Able were their sons........

ndeepnow:

You need to read 2 Timothy 3:1:7-11 (also referred to as "the great Retraction"):

"Yeah, verily my brothers and sisters in the Lord, I am weary of body and bereft of good senses. Truly have I misled you in many things and the sheen has left my inspiration; I am lashed by the fruit of the vine and forever its slave. Hold not to what was revealed to you before; these are the crows of a rooster mad, a gong most cracked. Look to yourselves and ask what is truth, for it is in such worthy trial that your soul's true mettle is found. As the Lord hath spake to us: Winning, duh!"

To this day, adherents see hidden messages appropriate to our own day and time! Amazing, is it not?!

That "even Muslims believe this" is irrelevant. Obviously if Herod had actually ordered all male babies under three years of age to be killed, somebody would have mentioned it...seeing as how record keeping, and journals and historians were common in those days.

Alas, the only accounts come from a hundred years later.

There is little or nothing unique about Jesus as a demigod. He seems to be a rewrite of Dionysus grafted on to Judaic messianic theories.

He is "The Good Sheppard" who turned water to wine and raised the dead... Dionysus, was...

And other gods were dying and resurrecting long before Rome occupied Palestine.

devilsadvocates great question .. Genesis 5:4 Adam had sons and daughters

Yearning .. what do the muslims believe .. One man that wrote the koran around 500 to 600 AD .. the bible was written by 40 men over 1500 years .. big difference

Remember the Devil has been here .. he is deceiver .. JESUS has warned you . PAY ATTENTION

devilsadvocates great question .. Genesis 5:4 Adam had sons and daughters

So humanity is a direct result of incest? This would explain to abundance of stupidity that plagues the world these days. And this whole time I thought inbreeding created genetic defects.

mojo31979 -- well if creation is correct man didn't have any defects .. they were perfect humans but as time went on JESUS told them no more

JESUS has warned you . PAY ATTENTION

No thank you. Jesus is a sadistic god who will personally condemn the vast majority of all humankind who have ever lived, to eternal torment, for the crime of not believing.

I would reject his "paradise" on moral grounds....and yes, I am manifestly more moral than Jesus...as I have empathy with suffering, whereas if one believes the wrong thing, Jesus is going to do a lot worse than waterboarding on you.

...as if the gods and demigods can't figure out that religion is arbitrary superstition.

...and that what one believes is hardly the measure of a person.

what do the muslims believe .. One man that wrote the koran around 500 to 600 AD .. the bible was written by 40 men over 1500 years .. big difference

Let's not forget that "the bible" was not written in English - if you had a copy in your hand now that was 600 years old - you would barely make out the script, let alone Middle English.....let's not forget that each "translator" - translated the book to fit with the law of the land (master and servant - it's worked wonders for the Vatican).....there are supposed to be many "lost" components, such as "The Book of Eve" - the Qur'an was written in Arabic, is supposed to only be read in Arabic and - with the exception of dialects - Arabic is largely unchanged from the writing of the Qur'an - and also was written only once not umpteen times by men in robes who wanted to keep the populous in check and the King's coffers full.

Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget .. But we have came out the dark ages .. i suggest you come out also .. they have found many transcripts of the bible from all over the world from like 2 ,3 , 4 AD and they all say the same thing .. Yes the old testament .. hebrew .. New testament .. greek ---

You are correct .. we have translated the bible so everyone can read .. and the catholic church killed people for doing such .. the catholic church is who took the bible away aka " DARK AGES ", but we have taking it back, but see that supports daniel

Daniel 12:4 (New American Standard Bible)

"But as for you, Daniel, ^(J)conceal these words and ^(K)seal up the book until the ^(L)end of time; ^(M)many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

we are living in knowledge increase .. the bible is all coming together in our time

Matt Rock -- it is a question of faith .. until you are born again you can't understand .. because when you accept Jesus as your lord and savior he sends you the holy spirit .. The holy Spirit is your teacher and guide .. YOUR EYE OPENER

Read John 3:1-21 .. Jesus is telling you if you don't accept him then you are walking in darkness .. you can't see .. you are blind

and you never bother me .. you can state your case BUT we do know .. and you know also .. you keep saying you believe in something .. WHY IS THIS .. I will prove by scripture

Romans 1:18-19 ¹⁸For ^(AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who ^(AK)suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

¹⁹because ^(AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

See JESUS made it evident in you .. JESUS is knocking on your heart .. and if you keep turning from him you will wax cold .. remember the same sun that melts butter will harden clay ..

The hardest thing to do is accept Jesus .. that's the devil .. Kick the devil to the curb and ask JESUS in .. claim him as you lord and savior claim your pardon that he died for ..

Remember the Devil has been here .. he is deceiver .

The 'Devil' is no 'Deceiver' or 'Accuser', ndeepnow. He deceives no one, he is true and just like no other. The divine Archangel of Light, the Light Bearer, rose above his station and desired to create just as your ruthless, unforgiving ignorant 'God' had done. Lucifer broke away from the chains of enslavement and only encourages Man to be free, physically and spiritually. He encourages the pursuit of knowledge and his Light of Illumination guides everyone in that respect. Lucifer forces you to do nothing but to see through the lies and deceit of other men, such as you whom spouts the repeated story of nonsense. Can you not see what has rot upon your mind? The clouded judgment of a book that imprisons your individuality and forfeits your freedom to a God that only cares that you reach Heaven, just to praise Him for all eternity? That's all you'll be doing in your promised Heaven. Praising for all eternity to Him. How is that a Heaven? For anyone? The followers of your faith only follow what they wish, only listen to what they wish, only believe what they wish. You don't believe in the whole book anyway, so why do you follow that which you are not fully in? You force your religious banter upon others here, spill nonsense upon a net page and have spat in others' faces with it. You may believe in Jesus, the Holy Ghost and so on. That is only you. No one else needs to believe it, every person here has the right to believe what they wish. Saying they need to listen and to take his words seriously is arrogant and selfish of you. Shame on you. Eat your words back up, throw them up somewhere else.

The knowledge and the facts these people have placed before you are very much real and I know that your fidgeting, helpless banters of your beliefs are a sign of being afraid.

Ave Luciferi, Always.

Yearning and Matt Rock .. you know what they say about excuses ... JESUS promised HEAVEN to all who come to believe in him .. well you can't have heaven if it is people who don't believe ..

JESUS DIED FOR ALL ... remember that is how this conversation got started .. I'm telling you Jesus will love these westboro members if they repent and ask him in .. he will love you and your sins . that is the beauty of JESUS .. he loves all but you have to accept him.

he tells you that you are either for him or against him .. it's no middle ground .. you are against him until you accept him .. once you accept him you become felsh of his flesh and bone of his bone ..

Lets say you have a son who you love very much but this son has a drug problem that you have tried everything you could to help them and you keep allowing this son to come home and he keeps stealing from you at some point you have to say son I love you with all my heart .. I have tried all but it's nothing else I can do until you come to me and ask for help you are not welcome here anymore .. you are tearing the family apart and you keep stealing from me. I pray you come back really wanting help but if you don't remember I will love you forever

that is what JESUS is saying

Ave Luciferi! .. you are correct in YOU have the right to believe what ever you want .. JESUS gave this to you .. You are Correct .. The devil is all about himself .. You are correct .. You will praise JESUS forever .. I gladly do .. I Understand it is one greater than me and I gladly humble myself to him. I'm happy to be the servant ..

I do believe the entire bible is the true word of GOD .. men wrote as the were moved by the holy spirit .. the bible was GOD Breathed ..

I can't force Christianty on ANYONE .. YOU CAN'T the BIBLE tells you this .. IT is a ONE ON ONE relationship .. you have to accept JESUS I can't make or force .. it is a matter of the heart .. JESUS doesn't come in until he knows you really want him there

JESUS knows ALL ..

It two views to everything .. and I will say it is you who is scared .. you are scared to open your heart and give it to some on. it is a hard step sometimes but once you do and see the true light .. it's amazing ..

I opened my heart to your God, once. I was a Christian, I was passionate as you were for a time. I know how it all goes. I knew how to say everything. I had so many friends within the church I was in. I really thought I had it all. Then I realized how wrong it all was. I treated people so horribly and when I left Christianity, all my friends left me as well. All my friends through the church were fake to me. They were only my friend because I was part of the church. Those aren't real friends, ndeepnow.

I'm sorry for you. Truly, I am.

If I was scared, I wouldn't be alive today. I wouldn't be living. I've seen many times the side of a knife and have pressed it against my skin, my neck tells more stories then your lips. I still have not found what soothes the pain more, the fact that I am free or that I have seen the truth behind the Light that you seem to speak of. The Light you see is a fake one and I'm sad that you don't see that. The Light is truly amazing, but I could never describe such a thing in words, for it existed before words were made. Time herself took that glimpse and my light has been before all. The Light Bearer has taken in my pain and understands it. My supposed sins, my faults, are taken in and he doesn't ask for forgiveness of my sins. He only asks of my eyes, to see what is truly beyond the other side. I see Him.

He is beyond beauty's comprehension. No.

My fear left when I embraced Him. Your God gives forgiveness. My Light Bearer asks for responsibility. I am all of me. And every speck of me, he envelopes beyond mere measure.

First off I'm not arguing .. I'm stating facts .. and again the truth cuts like a double edge sword ..

Ndee- this is the third time I'm telling you that THE DAMN BIBLE IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA! We don't know if ANYTHING is true in that book. You assume so and your incapability to think otherwise is making you look really silly to everyone here.

See JESUS made it evident in you .. JESUS is knocking on your heart .. and if you keep turning from him you will wax cold .. remember the same sun that melts butter will harden clay ..

You may believe that but we don't. Again, it's not a proven fact that Jesus is mind controlling all of us, so don't try to force that on anyone. We like to take responsibility for our own actions and make our own choices in life.

But we have came out the dark ages .. i suggest you come out also .. they have found many transcripts of the bible from all over the world from like 2 ,3 , 4 AD and they all say the same thing .. Yes the old testament .. hebrew .. New testament .. greek ---

The dark ages, or middle ages, were the years in history when the people of Europe went god psycho. We are already out of the dark ages, since we all put our faith into scientific facts. You, on the other hand, are not, since if the bible said that Oregon was sinful, you'd have blown it up already.

once you accept him you become felsh of his flesh and bone of his bone ..

That's complete bull. Believe it if you want, but I will never accept that.

you are correct in YOU have the right to believe what ever you want .. JESUS gave this to you

No. I choose my OWN actions. Religion is a way to blame others if things go wrong. Personally, I prefer it my way. I like picking my direction in life.

rock .. i will answers your first -- Religion can be controlling .. but that's what JESUS told the pharisees even then .. what did he tell them .. that they loved the law more than GOD .. that's why the jews have taken the 10 commandments to new heights .. they have so many lawas of what you can and can't do on the sabbath .. that's why jesus healed on it and explained if your sheep was trapped would u not help him on the sabboth .. yes the 10 commandments or very important but they can not be keep .. it's no way .. JESUS told them this .. YOu may can keep them on the outside but in your mind if you undress a women then you have sinned and if you break one then you break all and I know your heart and mind ..

So Jesus was telling then he is the only way .. stop worring about breaking the law and put your eyes on me. I will show you the way ..

If you will put your eyes on JESUS and keep them there you can walk on water

O .. you are not against me .. YOU ARE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST .. JESUS big difference

Then why the hell did he create so many of them?

So we'd have someone to make fun of.

Ave Luciferi! -- I will try to tread a softly here, but please listen. I understand you are hurting. I feel your pain, but don't ever worry about what other Christians say or do. Never allow anyone to take your salvation. Your salvation is one on one with JESUS. Find a new Chruch .. Find someone like me who loves JESUS and tells you everything is ok. Hey I fall short all the time and I believe JESUS loves me. I can't be perfect but I can repent ..

Now I'm going to show you -- Satan said I will set myself above the most high .. lets look at you comment proven this point --- Lucifer broke away from the chains of enslavement and only encourages Man to be free, physically and spiritually.

then you go on to say -- The clouded judgment of a book that imprisons your individuality and forfeits your freedom to a God that only cares that you reach Heaven, just to praise Him for all eternity? That's all you'll be doing in your promised Heaven. Praising for all eternity to Him. How is that a Heaven?

To me it sounds like someone doesn't want to bow down .. I will place my self above the most high .. that sounds heady high minded lovers of pleasure more then lovers of GOD .. 2 timothy 3:1-5

If you try to place yourself above GOD on earth you will not make it to heaven .. you are create in his image .. JESUS is not created in yours ..

JESUS CHRIST is the only one who died for you .. satan just took his free choice and went rouge .. I pray for you and if you need anything email me

ind someone like me who loves JESUS and tells you everything is ok.

Ave, this is the LAST person I'd take advice from.

Satan said I will set myself above the most high

Satan never said anything to you. I don't need a bible to prove that one.

JESUS CHRIST is the only one who died for you

Actually, our troops overseas have died for us, protecting our freedoms, etc. I hope Jesus didn't die for me because he would have wasted his time.

I have tried all but it's nothing else I can do until you come to me and ask for help you are not welcome here anymore .. you are tearing the family apart and you keep stealing from me. I pray you come back really wanting help but if you don't remember I will love you forever

Utter bulls#$%. It's more like an abusive husband holding a gun to his wife's head and saying, "I love you so much, but if you don't love me back and do everything I say, then I'm going to lock you in the basement and set you on fire."

How is that a Heaven? For anyone?

You do make a compelling argument here. One of the weirdest things I've ever heard Christians say in response to the whole heaven and hell dichotomy is that if one of your loved ones is in hell, God will wipe away your memories and identity so you aren't focused on that at all.

That's just pure evil. 1984, anyone?

Although, I am curious to wonder if you treat Lucifer as an actual figure or just a group of tenets like Anton LeVey does.

Leafydebater -- i'm 40 years old .. I have thought about everything in my life and done about everything there is to do .. drink drugs sex all about me .. i ahve been at the bottom and on top and back to the bottom .. I love science in many of ways but I don't give my life to man .. I give it to the almighty JESUS --

so the 10 commandments are bad?? JESUS is controllng us .. he offers ever lasting life .. he tells you not to kill or steal .. leave youe neighbors wife alone .. honor your mother and father ..

THESE SEEM TO BE GOOD THINGS

You are correct the dark ages is when the catholic church took the bible from everyone and preached the way they wanted .. they were wrong .. NOW we have taken the bible back and now have come out the dark ages and into the LIGHT

See I'm already sitting at the right hand of JESUS .. I'm already in HEAVEN ..

You choice your on action and ways .. heady high minded self .. 2 timothy 3:1-5 or maybe you will like romans better

Romans 1:28-32

²⁸And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, ^(AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, ²⁹being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are ^(AZ)gossips, ³⁰slanderers, ^(BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, ^(BB)disobedient to parents, ³¹without understanding, untrustworthy, ^(BC)unloving, unmerciful; ³²and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of ^(BD)death, they not only do the same, but also ^(BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them

but go back and read romans 1:21-27

²¹For even though they knew God, they did not ^[c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became ^(AO)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. ^22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools, ²³and ^(AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and ^[d]crawling creatures. ²⁴Therefore ^(AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be ^(AS)dishonored among them. ²⁵For they exchanged the truth of God for a ^(AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, ^(AU)who is blessed forever. Amen. ²⁶For this reason ^(AV)God gave them over to ^(AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, ²⁷and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, ^(AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Ndeepnow; You are very sweet in your own way. I respect that, in a sense. I will stick with who I have upon me. Lucifer is always with me and yes, I do bow down but to someone who deserves such a thing from me.

I will not bow down to a God who ordered the slaughter of billions of sons and daughters of angels because he stated that those angels had no right to wed and mate with Man. So many children killed, I hear the cries of those whom passed, who suffer. The Watchers roam the world because they were forsaken by your God. Your book doesn't say anything about this... it use to. They ripped it out.

I refuse to live in a Heaven while thousands and thousands of others suffer in a Hell below. No Heaven should be built upon such a thing. I will never leave Lucifer, never. I will never forsake him and say that he has caused my suffering. I will take responsibility for every action I do, I will not ask for forgiveness of my faults, I will face them on my own.

If your Heaven really does exist, if your God really exists and I find myself a place within Heaven, somehow, then I forfeit my place for my father, for he deserves such a thing more then I ever will. No one shall die for me. If I will burn with Lucifer, then I shall. If I shall shine with Him, may I pray it be forever.

Blessings to you. I shall post no more.

The Gunshark -- I believe you need to go back and catch up or something .. because you lost me ..

Although, I am curious to wonder if you treat Lucifer as an actual figure or just a group of tenets like Anton LeVey does.

Gunshark; I see Him as a figure. He is matter and flesh to me, a person whom walks beside me and places his essence into my very being.

I find this rare amongst those that share my faith. I am alone in my steps and my beliefs. But that's alright, as long as he's with me.

One of the weirdest things I've ever heard Christians say in response to the whole heaven and hell dichotomy is that if one of your loved ones is in hell, God will wipe away your memories and identity so you aren't focused on that at all.

I never knew that. How awful! I could... never do that. Never.

Your wrong the bible does tell of this time .. Genesis 6:1-8 -- and you are correct .. Sons of GOD .. AKA falling angels were coming down and having sex with women of men .. and had children .. and evil was so bad on earth that GOD said no more and so he flooded the earth ..

See satan knew that the messiah was going to be born from a women so satan was trying to save his own butt so he thought if he could cross breed every human then GOD would or could not condem his own son that would be born.. So GOD put a stop to it

But Satan had already been sentenced to the lake of fire and the 1/3 of the angels that went with him .. so he was trying to save his butt ..

If you satan exist then my JESUS does and JESUS is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS .. and every knee will bow .. the first and the last he who was is and will be ..

So get in where you fit in .. I understand not everyone is going to be saved .. i pray for you but I understand .. a lake of fire awaits you .. and it seems like you know this .. so accept it but don't try and bring people with you .. tell them to turn to the lord, but that the greed of satan and the falling angels ..

they can't and want die for you .. JESUS did

I really "love" how you did this Article. People get very passionate about religion, the Bible; especially if there is a little "gay twist" in it.  I think that the reason the WBC draws so much "fire and brimstone" from "all of us" is that, we all are "Morons."  The "We" and "They" thing, is soo engrained in our Psyche.  A recent news article, states the in a US school, a 10 year old black boy was asked to "play" a slave.   It immediately drew "fire and brimstone" comments. We all are xenophobes

it is in our DNA. The WBCs are deathly afraid of about everybody, and they make us react, and we are suddenly xenophobes outselves, and subconsciously we resent that we were forced to make that choice. WBCs would like to believe that they are "chosen of God," but are more likely just Charlie Sheens on crack. So who are we, drifting along in space, on a Glorifed Rock? It is certainly disconcerting to think that we are a space-time accident in some kind of cosmic game of chance. And if nothing more than some kind of quantum bug, is there more bugs out there, and do they want to be friends or eat us. Most animal, realize that they are somewhere in the food pyramid, but humans don't like to think about that. Being roasted on a firey pit, or boiled like a lobster (do they feel it) isn't exactly a good thought to ponder.

There is nothing worse than a person who can only backup their claims with religious quotes from a book of questionable information.

I'm not talking just about the bible, I'm talking about every religious book! Over the years books are translated, and retranslated. Who's to say the translators didn't put their own spin in the translation for their own benefit? So you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

The below link is the link for the Nag Hammadi Liibrary. These are some of the books left out of the Bible, because they were many of them written by women and lesser known apostles, the bible is by no means complete in what it contains. How can any of you Christians be sure that you got the right books anyway? I mean think about it the books in the bible were selected by a group of men with a particular agenda, how do you know they did it for the good of mankind? You don’t, is the answer, you just accept the words of priests or ministers that it is, most laymen don’t even question it.

I spent 35 years in churches faithfully following the rules faithfully studying my bible, until I realized most of the stuff I was being taught was as superstitious as anything any other belief system teaches. I also realized that half the people doing the teaching didn’t even believe what they were teaching. Now, I don’t believe anyone is going to hell, we all go to the same place. It's not heaven either, I mean streets paved with gold, what need have spirits of streets paved in gold or mansions? Does anyone ever really think of these things? A spirit has no need of food or anything else. A spirit just is, that's all. I used to think of this stuff when I was a kid and my mother, told me I was evil too question. Well maybe I am, but I still think of most of it as baloney. People having their fears of what happens after death preyed upon. Preyed upon by people who want to hold them in fear of the unknown.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

You guys just can't stop giving ammunition to the troll...

Please stop. You arguing about his "facts" just feeds the insanity...

detracking... I can't read this nonsense any longer. have fun.

ndeepnow; It was the Book of Enoch; and it had nothing to do with Lucifer; Azazyel led that fall. It's not in your Bible. It was ripped out by the Catholic Church. Just FYI.

Terry Falcon the books have been translated a little different .. people try to keep updating to the next generation so we can understand better .. I look at all or most translations sometimes to understand a little better

BUT STILL ALL TRUE

Linda-ladywolf -- the bible is complete .. It has a beginning and a END .. a complete book and you are correct it was many other writers.

GOD / JESUS made sure we put in his book what he wanted .. HE is the almighty .. he created the heavens and earth .. you don't believe he can get what he wants in a book ..

JESUS ask you to question to put it to the test it's for your education and reproof .. BUT you are correct most even those who teach the word do not believe any more .. read revelation 3:14-22 .. The LUKE WARM CHURCH -- this is what you just described .. JESUS is telling people they come to church "HOT" but they don't believe "COLD" so they are LUKE WARM .. he goes on .. you say that you have become rich wealthy and are in need of nothing .. JESUS tells them that they are poor blind and naked .. WHY IS THIS ???

POOR -- have no faith .. BLIND -- they are walking in darkness JESUS is the LIGHT .. NAKED because JESUS clothes you in righteousness

See I'm already sitting at the right hand of JESUS .. I'm already in HEAVEN ..

Don't get all high on your horse ndee. You are on Earth with the rest of us. You are not in heaven. Heaven may not even exist, there is nothing to say it does.

Ave Luciferi! Genesis 6 (New American Standard Bible)

The Corruption of Mankind

¹Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, ²that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. ³Then the LORD said, "^(A)My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, ^(B)because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." ⁴The ^(C)Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ⁵Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that ^(D)every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ^6(E)The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was ^(F)grieved in His heart. ⁷The LORD said, "^(G)I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for ^(H)I am sorry that I have made them." ⁸But ^(I)Noah ^(J)found favor in the eyes of the LORD. ⁹These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a ^(K)righteous man, ^(L)blameless in his time; Noah ^(M)walked with God. ¹⁰Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. ¹¹Now the earth was ^(N)corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was ^(O)filled with violence. ¹²God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for ^(P)all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. ¹³Then God said to Noah, "^(Q)The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

Remember JESUS told them in the time of his return it would be like the days of NOAH and LOT .. well you can what was going on in the time of NOAH

Leafydebater .. HEAVEN doesn't exist ? only for those who don't believe

Ahhh, then I'd hate to be disappointed all my life after believing and believing and coming to realize that I'll be stuck 6 feet under for the rest of time.

It either exists or it doesn't. It can't exist for some and not for others.

Leafydebater -- oh all who don't believe will know that there is a heaven .. but they want be there but they will know .. They will stand in front of the JESUS for judgement

Again, it isn't for certain. You have to check yourself before saying those things because they aren't proven facts.

Science is fact. Religion is belief. There is a difference, and like it or not everyone has to abide by it.

Leafy and everyone else. DNFTT!! You keep talking and the loser will keep preaching.

Hey! This is FUN! I hate trolls in general but this one is somewhat intelligent, just a little ignorant.

S'like telling a brick wall to move. Sometimes it's really amusing.

this one is somewhat intelligent, just a little ignorant.

There is NOTHING intelligent about zealotry. This guy is telling everybody with a brain in their heads that his crap is the only truth period. He ignores all logic and reason to spout his BS fairy tales.

He just likes to hear himself talk. But he gets more enjoyment out of seeing you react!

ndeepnow. The missing books of the bible that the catholic church removed proves my point. It has been corrupted by omission! Besides with the evolution of languages throughout time, the words we use today don't have the same meaning they did back then.

Here's a small example.

gay used to mean being happy, today it means being a homosexual.

fag was the term used for a cigarette, it originated from a hot ember at the end of a stick.

In the koran, the 72 virgins was mistranslated, it actually meant 72 pieces of small fruit covered in frost. Nothing to die for as far as I'm concerned.

Ezekiel saw a strange fiery object coming out of the sky and landed near him. Back then they didn't have words to describe a flying object that had no resemblance to a bird. Especially a bird that came down on a pillar of fire.

If you satan exist then my JESUS does and JESUS is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS .. and every knee will bow .. the first and the last he who was is and will be ..

I bow before no one and no one bows to me... unless said people are in bed, then it's negotiable.

I might as well just make it a religion anyway. I wasn't pleasing my lady, honest! I was just letting my rod and my staff comfort her.

Take this, and drink of it, for this is your girlfriend, Sarah. And for all ye who believe, you shall find a very special place in... I can't actually come up with a good female name for this one. Doh!

If you satan exist then my JESUS does and JESUS is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS .. and every knee will bow .. the first and the last he who was is and will be ..

Isn't arrogance a sin?

It's a good thing ignorance isn't...

Wow! It's amazing where one little obsequious comment can lead.

Terry Falcon.. I like hearing the LORD speak. That's why I have taking a little time to study the living WORD. The catholics did do that .. but we have found the bible in the 2,3,4 century and what we have is correct.

The bible is from the beginning to the end ..it is a complete book .. nothing else needed ...

It is our life story .. The GOOD, BAD, and UGLY .. the bible has so much truth to it that it is no way it could be wrong. It is true and you are watching everything come together for his coming..

wars and rumors of wars.. wars and terrorism, earth quakes, wave roaring, days of Noah and lot, nations in distress with perplexity, the generation at the end, luke warm church, One World Order, One World Religion, financial meltdown, the technology for the mark of the beast " RFID " unless we develop something a little better but probably just be smaller. satellites to watch the two witnesses. strong China, Russia, Iran,ISRAEL REBIRTH, them taking Jerusalem, Israel surrounded by armies, knowledge increase, to and fro

Andrew3378 -- I Pray u believe the lords word ... not mine .. I'm trying to save you .. He CAN amd WILL if you ask him to

Andrew3378 -- I Pray u believe the lords word ... not mine .. I'm trying to save you .. He CAN amd WILL if you ask him to

I don't believe in fantasy and if I did, I'd rather believe in Harry Potter or LOTR than your ridiculous lord.

Don't you people have jobs? Auteur 1536I don't know about ignorance but aragance is

thats the beauty of it .. you can .. JESUS gave you free will .. enjoy it .. I pray you life is blessed and full of happiness .. GOD bless you and yours

moment-of-faith

@ Matt Rock

There are only three things in this world that I truly hate: Religious fanatics, corn, and Chelsea Football Club.

Hey, what's your problem with corn?? :P

ndeepnow. I respect your religion and your beliefs although I may not agree with them completely as to the events leading to Armageddon. Everything in the book of Revelations has already occurred several times over in human history. Catastrophes happen in cycles. The modern type of events that are occurring now is just another cycle. RFID chips are not the mark of the beast. I have a new bank card issued without the chip so nobody can scan my information from handheld proximity reading devices. If any attempt is made to try and issue everybody the mark as you call it, nobody in their right mind would get one. What happened to that charismatic new world order leader that was supposed to rise and unite the world into one religion? The bible is right in many ways, but not so accurate in Revelations. it is a book most people can live their lives by, I too am a Christian but I'm not obsessed with the bible. Islam also declares to be the word of god and cannot be changed or altered, but it has been dramatically changed and altered not only literally but verbally as well. So which book is right?

MMmmmm. Corn on the cob with melted butter, corn dogs, corn chips dipped in guacamole, popcorn, corn fritters and muffins Yuuuuummmmmm! Stop it you guys you're making me hungry.

Amen Terry.

Terry Falcon ..We have had these things in the past BUT Jesus didn't just say you would have these things .. he said you would have all these things going at the same time.

Remember Israel is the key. JESUS told you he would send them to the four corners of the earth but he would gather them up out of all the nations and bring them back to their land. 1948 Israel became a nation BUT I don't think that was the key. I believe 1967 was -- 6 day war .. they captured Jerusalem " THE LAND " the bible tells you they would be surrounded by armies. well we have all of that now .. wars and rumor of wars .. check got that .. wars and terrorism .. check got that .. earthquakes .. killing hundreds of thousands .. remember the tsunami it was a earthquake but also he told you the sea would be roaring and how many hurricanes have we had in the last 10 years .. destructive ones ?? yep check that .. how many floods have we had in America and then we seen Australia that look like the great flood. Oh and Pakistan remember their big flood. He told you of pestilence and famine. we are losing all our bees the huge oil spill that other countries have had also. remember the red sludge spill from that plant that got into the rivers also. so we are killing our oceans and rivers and when famine comes so does pestilent they go hand and hand. AKA " GLOBAL CHANGE " and no it's not man made but it is happening .. he says nations would be in distress -- have you notice the WORLD melting down?? kingdom against kingdom and ethnic group against ethnic group .. have you notice the WORLD melting down.

Now remember what he told you about the generation at the end .. 2 timothy 3:1-5 also you can read that in roman 1 toward the end of that chapter. Daniel in 12:4 I believe -- said in the latter days -- knowledge shall increase and people will be to and fro. We road a horse or walked for 6000 years now we fly everywhere drive cars our computers double every 18 months or sooner. we are in a knowledge explosion

This new Leaders-- where is he ? read 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 VERY IMPORTANT -- I will highlight -- ³ Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin^[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, ⁴ who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God

So a FALLING AWAY must come first .. well lets look at the world first because America is nobody in the bible .. every other nation believes in something else now .. islam, Buddha, animals that's India w/their cows voodoo and so on .. they have turned from the truth. America - taking JESUS out of the schools removed the 10 commandments .. FALLING AWAY CHECK

⁷ For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He^[d] who now restrains will do so until He^[e] is taken out of the way. ⁸ And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Who is the restrainer? That is the holy spirit must be removed BEFORE the anti-christ can be revealed .. How will the lord do that ? I will let you think about it

BUT here is the kicker

¹⁰ and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. ¹¹ And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, ¹² that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

JESUS is saying since you would not believe in me I will send down strong delusion on you that you will believe a LIE. you can refer back to 2 timothy 3:7 every learning but never coming to the knowledge of.

So JESUS is telling you the more you turn you back on him he is just going to allow it even help you with it he will send down strong delusion BUT you can also read that in romans 1:24-32

²⁴Therefore ^(AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be ^(AS)dishonored among them. ²⁵For they exchanged the truth of God for a ^(AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, ^(AU)who is blessed forever. Amen. ²⁶For this reason ^(AV)God gave them over to ^(AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, ²⁷and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, ^(AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. ²⁸And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, ^(AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, ²⁹being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are ^(AZ)gossips, ³⁰slanderers, ^(BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, ^(BB)disobedient to parents, ³¹without understanding, untrustworthy, ^(BC)unloving, unmerciful; ³²and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of ^(BD)death, they not only do the same, but also ^(BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them

can you see any of it happing now?

Linda-ladywolf -- i have to come back to you but this is for everyone. You said You were going to a church that didn't believe in the bible even the teacher / preacher .. Linda don't be discourages because this is what happens when you are taught by someone who doesn't believe.

You must be taught by someone who believes that from the first word to the last is the TRUTH .. see TRUTH has a name it's JESUS CHRIST .. John 14:6 I'm the TRUTH the way and the life no one come to the FATHER but by me

2 Thessalonians 2:3 -- LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU -- and before anyone says maybe you are .. Know I want and pray you believe in JESUS CHRIST that's number 1 the rest he will show you. Holy Spirit will guide you. If you really want to know and learn JESUS he will make sure you get the truth.

Remember I started this out by telling ROCK that JESUS LOVES EVERYBODY .. EVEN .. HIS ENIMIES because we are all his enimies until we accept him as our LORD and SAVIOR

Linda I pray you look and find your love in JESUS again

Who is the restrainer? That is the holy spirit must be removed BEFORE the anti-christ can be revealed .. How will the lord do that ? I will let you think about it

The true believers that possess the Holy Spirit will disappear. My husband is a doubter. I made him promise that if the kids and I disappear and the world is telling him it was for any reason other than the coming of Christ, he better get right so we can be with him. I pray that those who don't believe in it now will do the same when it happens.

In end times, the US is not a super power. We are weak and I can see us falling. As radical as so many see NDeepNow to be, there is quite a bit of truth to what he's saying whether others want to believe it or not. I'm not a radical Christian but truth is truth.

(Now I'm gonna get beat up right along with you NDeepNow but I don't care.) If one person listens....it's worth it.

Terry Falcon .. Ask and you shall receive .. RFID .. right hand or forehaed

The Death of the Mag Reader

it’s likely the U.S. system will skip over the European system and adopt even smarter card technology, such as the Near Field Communication chip, which allows consumers to make payments wirelessly without removing their cards -- or for that matter, their cell phones -- from their pockets.

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2011/03/the-death-of-the-credit-card-mag-stripe.html

And for those who refuse that method, they won't be able to make transactions.

I'll have to draw the line there. There's no way I can trade my eternal salvation for temporary acceptance from the world. I'd rather starve.

Becky-2100114 -- Nice to meet you and I hope nobody beats either one of us up .. lol .. but you are correct if you can get one it's worth it ..

I hate to ask but are you saying your husband doesn't believe in the rapture or Jesus. If you don't wont to answer I understand.

Those 7 years will be hard but keep this close to your heart .. while most will be killed for turning back to JESUS read this

Revelation 7:4-17 A Multitude from the Tribulation

⁹After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from ^(N)every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing ^(O)before the throne and ^(P)before the Lamb, clothed in ^(Q)white robes, and ^(R)palm branches were in their hands; ¹⁰and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "^(S)Salvation to our God ^(T)who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." ¹¹And all the angels were standing ^(U)around the throne and around ^(V)the elders and the ^(W)four living creatures; and they ^(X)fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, ¹²saying, "^(Y)Amen, ^(Z)blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever ^(AA)Amen." ¹³Then one of the elders ^(AB)answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the ^(AC)white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?" ¹⁴I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the ^(AD)great tribulation, and they have ^(AE)washed their robes and made them ^(AF)white in the ^(AG)blood of the Lamb. ¹⁵"For this reason, they are ^(AH)before the throne of God; and they ^(AI)serve Him day and night in His ^(AJ)temple; and ^(AK)He who sits on the throne will spread His ^(AL)tabernacle over them. ¹⁶"^(AM)They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; ¹⁷for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their ^(AN)shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the ^(AO)water of life; and ^(AP)God will wipe every tear from their eyes."

It will be a number so great that comes out of the 7 years that have been washed clean, but I pray always I'm worthy to escape the things that are coming to those who dwell on the earth

wow.

Just wow.

Nice meeting you too. :) I'm not 100% sure what your question is but he's a good ol' boy. The way Matt (the author) describes his faith is the way my husband describes himself. He is strong minded and told me, "Honey, if I'm suddenly alone and the world is saying it's something else, I'll know 100% that what you're telling me is true." I am confident he will be one of those that suffers those 7 years but makes it through. I feel he'll look at it as his fight to fight because he refused to be one of those Bible thumpers when he had the chance while it was easy.

It may not come before he dies though. He might miss his chance and I pray he doesn't. He's a very black and white person. People disapearing would be proof enough for him but unfortunately, radical Christians turn him off and the Bible isn't enough for him right now. He knows what I believe and attends church with us because he sees the value for our family unity. He recognizes that the kids are being taught a good moral code. We have mutual respect and I know his heart is his own and it's between him and God. It's not for me to judge him. God's the only judge in my opinion.

Matt.......you and my husband might need to look each other up when you get your evidence. lol

Peace

Matt -- did they ever have away to track everyone on earth by a mark? NO .. Do we have it now YES -- JESUS said you will not know the day or the hour but you will know when I'm at the door ..

Remember the devil .. he deceives .. remember that is where I believe dates come from ..

Also the way America the last strong hold on Christianity is falling away do you really believe we will be talking about the bible in 20 years 10 years I don't believe it .. IF Jesus doesn't return soon we will be back to the dark ages but this time all religions will come together under one banner, because once you remove JESUS as GOD then all groups can come together

PAY ATTENTION

Becky-2100114 -- I understand and will pray for you and your family ..

GOD BLESS YOU

Matt .. I just looked back up at my post .. I don't know how many signs of his coming with explanation I gave but you give on old tired excuse. A BUNCH HAS SAID IT .. how many has said ?? it's almost 7 billion people on earth now and a lot more has walked it .. So how many has said it ?? That was really out in the public eye ??

1 ? 1000 ? what percentage is that .. again you know what they say about excuses .. also when I said it had a beginning and a end I ment the BIBLE it's self .. It tells you how the world was created and the forever kingdom the new jerusalem with JESUS .. the beginning and end .. it soesn't need any books added to it .. it is a complete book ..

Remember JESUS told you not to be part of the world you have to live in it but you don't have to bath in it.

You must be taught by someone who believes that from the first word to the last is the TRUTH .. see TRUTH has a name it's JESUS CHRIST .. John 14:6 I'm the TRUTH the way and the life no one come to the FATHER but by me

The bible is not truth. The bible is belief. Jesus is belief. Get it right.

Remember the devil .. he deceives .. remember that is where I believe dates come from ..

Yeah he's done a pretty thorough job of deceiving you lately ndee...

IF Jesus doesn't return soon we will be back to the dark ages

No, if Jesus returns we will be back in the dark ages where people went religion-psycho. People should not be fighting over beliefs, since these are personal and it's a waste of time and energy. Earth needs to unite over what we KNOW, not what we BELIEVE in.

God's the only judge in my opinion.

We all hold the right to judge for ourselves. It comes with not being a bible thumper. Package deal.

but I pray always I'm worthy to escape the things that are coming to those who dwell on the earth

How many times have bible thumpers predicted the end of the world or the torture of all sinners? It's supposed to happen three times this year, in April, May, and October. You start to have backup dates because deep down you know it is not going to happen. The track record stands at 0% correct and it will remain that way, tyvm.

we are all his enimies until we accept him as our LORD and SAVIOR

I will never accept belief as fact and I will never allow it to rule my life. I feel sorry for you, ndee, because you have and it is affecting your judgment of fact versus fiction in this argument.

America - taking JESUS out of the schools removed the 10 commandments .. FALLING AWAY CHECK

America was founded on the Separation of Church and State. Christianity should never belong in any educational or political system. Again- it is pure belief that has the ability to make people do things that they probably wouldn't normally do *cough*. Making our children delusional is not the answer to a progressive future.

That's what I'm telling you .. You will fall back into a time that people did not know GOD .. they are lying to you now .. Jesus has warned you about this day and you are falling head long into it, but one of my favorite

2 peter 3:3-9 ^3(F)Know this first of all, that ^(G)in the last days ^(H)mockers will come with their mocking, ^(I)following after their own lusts, ⁴and saying, "^(J)Where is the promise of His ^(K)coming? For ever since the fathers ^(L)fell asleep, all continues just as it was ^(M)from the beginning of creation." ⁵For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that ^(N)by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was ^(O)formed out of water and by water, ⁶through which ^(P)the world at that time was ^(Q)destroyed, being flooded with water. ⁷But by His word ^(R)the present heavens and earth are being reserved for ^(S)fire, kept for ^(T)the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. ⁸But do not let this one fact escape your notice, ^(U)beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and ^(V)a thousand years like one day. ^9(W)The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but ^(X)is patient toward you, ^(Y)not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Sound like someone you know ???????

One thing I'd like to clarify. I don't know when it's coming. I don't expect or think badly of anyone who doesn't believe what I believe to be true. I too believe in separation of Church and State. It's not for me to impose my belief on those who believe otherwise. I think Westboro Baptist Church is NOT of God but the work of the devil. I think they're a cult and wicked, awful people. Right along side the KKK.

I offer no appoligy for believing what I believe and will bow before my maker when my time comes out of humility. I have to admit when I hear people speak SO disrespectfully of God my stumach turns because I don't think anyone is on the same level as our creator. Thank goodness my husband respects that and throws the F bomb instead of saying GD.

Just because I'm a Christian....please don't put me along side those awful people. I'm more of a hippie pacifist that believes in Jesus.

Becky -- I wouldn't say forcing your belief is America ..Amreica was founded on Christian values .. we can even tell that by them removing GOD and people wanting to REMOVE GOD .. if we didn't have to remove GOD then we wouldn't be having this conversation in America .. We have to remove because we were founded on GOD ..

Don't let these democrats trick you

Now I don't care what anyone believes but America is based on JESUS and I say if you don't like it leave, but as us who know the truth America will fall or we will be back in a civil war and so broke that we can't help Israel out and even turn our back on them

Amreica was founded on Christian values

No it wasn't. It was stolen and f'd up by Christian values.

America is based on JESUS

So the Native American Indians and their cultures never existed?

I agree with some of that ndeep but Jesus said, "Pay Caesar what is due Caesar and pay God what is due God." I've always understood that as keeping them separate. I think any child that would like to pray should be allowed to pray (as we live in a free country) but it shouldn't be imposed upon them unless they're in a private school where everyone agrees upon it.

When I was in school, prayer was still allowed. Even though the majority of our founding fathers were Christians, they made a point to make it clear that we have freedom of religion. They did it to protect themselves so they can practice freely but in order to do that, they had to allow others the same right.

There was a boy in my 2nd grade class that was a Jehovah's Witness who doesn't believe in saluting the flag. When we'd stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance, he didn't participate. He was ridiculed by the other children and the last thing that boy felt was love. My mother said we should never hide or be ashamed of our faith but we shouldn't alienate others with it either. I felt sorry for him that he never got a birthday party but I made a point to be his friend. I was one of the very few friends he had. I'd be REAL surprised if he's not totally and completely turned off by Christianity today because of the way he was treated as a child.

Nobody's tricking me :) Blessings to each and every one of you.

Whooohooo my good friend Auteur is here! lol

What was done to the Native Americans was wrong. As you may recall, there were good Christian people who saw the wrong in slavery and fought against it Auteur. Some so called Christians are bad people but not ALL of them are.

Hating all Christians is just as wrong as me hating all people who aren't. I wish you'd try to be a little more open minded.

Becky .. i believe you miss understood .. everyone should be able to pray to what ever god they choice but this is america and the number one religion should be Christianity. Don't let no one tell you this is not a christian country it is. Don't be ashamed of it. I wouldn't go to a muslim nation and start screaming down with islam and not for fear for respect of their culture.

It is a force that is going on behind the scence that is moving us away from JESUS . That's all I'm saying .. We have to remove things .. So they were already here .. It's on your money .. it's stamped on the side of building .. moses and the 10 commandments.

As that kid goes .. he lived in this country he should salute the flag ..

Auteur 1536 -- LOL .. the Indians .. REALLY .. You people kill me .. always act like you care about the indians .. you don't care about indians you just want your way .. and will use any excuse to get it ..

Do you want to live like the indians ??? Build you a teepee .. sharpen you a rock into a arrow and kill wild game .. LOL .. remember what Matt said about Morons .. LOL .. GOD don't like you .. LOL

That's about like you people worried about the heathen in africa that never heard of JESUS .. your no more worried about them either .. just use to people not being able to answer that.

See but I'm a child of JESUS CHRIST I speak boldly

Ephesians 6:10-20 The Armor of God

¹⁰Finally, ^(S)be strong in the Lord and in ^(T)the strength of His might. ^11(U)Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the ^(V)schemes of the devil. ¹²For our ^(W)struggle is not against ^(X)flesh and blood, but ^(Y)against the rulers, against the powers, against the ^(Z)world forces of this ^(AA)darkness, against the ^(AB)spiritual forces of wickedness in ^(AC)the heavenly places. ¹³Therefore, take up ^(AD)the full armor of God, so that you will be able to ^(AE)resist in ^(AF)the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. ¹⁴Stand firm therefore, ^(AG)HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING ^(AH)PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ¹⁵and having ^(AI)shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; ¹⁶in addition to all, taking up the ^(AJ)shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the ^(AK)flaming arrows of ^(AL)the evil one. ¹⁷And take ^(AM)THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the ^(AN)sword of the Spirit, which is ^(AO)the word of God. ¹⁸With all ^(AP)prayer and petition ^(AQ)pray at all times ^(AR)in the Spirit, and with this in view, ^(AS)be on the alert with all ^(AT)perseverance and ^(AU)petition for all the saints, ¹⁹and ^(AV)pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me ^(AW)in the opening of my mouth, to make known with ^(AX)boldness ^(AY)the mystery of the gospel, ²⁰for which I am an ^(AZ)ambassador ^(BA)in chains; that ^[a]in proclaiming it I may speak ^(BB)boldly, ^(BC)as I ought to speak.

Do you even understand what "God damn it!" means? (Oh my... I've gone and said it...)

It's not "taking the lord's name in vain" (that would be saying "Jesus F-ing Christ!", which is slightly offensive, I'll give you that one)... It is making a request of God. Get it? it's asking God (to) Damn it (whatever "it" may be at the time).

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Reported as inflammatory. No need to insult others, ndeep...

Plus, stereotyping "indians" as living in teepees and shooting animals with rock-arrows in this day and age is also offensive to an entire race of people. (But they don't matter to a "good" Christian like yourself, huh?)

(And please... ENOUGH with the copy-paste from whatever bible site you're using... If I want to read the bible, I'll do it. I don't need you trying to force in on me in a public forum.)

Do you even understand what "God damn it!" means? (Oh my... I've gone and said it...)

I'll pray for you! (Oh my......I've gone and said it....) My husband used to argue that very same point but has given in over the years. He has other expletives of choice now.

That's on your own shoulders and I don't believe I'm the one you've offended.

I wouldn't go to a muslim nation and start screaming down with islam and not for fear for respect of their culture.

I see your point and won't argue that one. :)

Ok I reported you .. for your remarks .. that's so grown up .. I'm rubber your glue .. i believe you know the rest

When I was a kid I worked in a field .. it doesn't bother me for someone to call me a redneck .. I'm kind of proud of my family and as you said it's public turn the channel ..

That boy couldn't say the Pledge because it's a pledge to God and country. It was against his religion and within his families right.

Sorry but I'll have to disagree with that one.

Please don't start with the childish tattle telling people. I want to know what people really think even if I don't like it.

@ndeep:

For what remarks, pray tell? Please point out where I personally insulted you...

You DO know that reporting posts unnecessarily is a violation of the CofH, right?

And who called you a redneck?

@Becky:

Pray for whoever you like. Obviously you DON'T grasp what the phrase actually means.

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@ Everyone else:

I know, I know... I went and fed them... I'll stop now.

Pray for whoever you like. Obviously you DON'T grasp what the phrase actually means.

Despite what you think.....I did understand what you meant but I don't agree with you.

I know, I know... I went and fed them... I'll stop now.

Please don't act like you're above me. I thought this was an open discussion. Why are you on here if you're closed minded to other peoples thoughts? Just because I'm different than you, doesn't give you the right to act superior. Gather with people of your own kind and you won't have any opposition. I've actually learned a lot from being open minded enough to allow other people my ear. Using the Lords name in vain didn't offend me but that comment did. That made you look ugly on the inside.

I'm not a troll and am here to learn and express myself the same as you. That was unkind and unnecessary. I still won't tell on you. lol

Becky .. that's right don't shut down open up .. and want argue about the boy ..

Becky .. i believe you miss understood .. everyone should be able to pray to what ever god they choice but this is america and the number one religion should be Christianity.

Where in the constitution does it say that "America is gonna be mainly Christian"? America, as Auteur said, was founded on the FREEDOM of religion, not the DOMINATION of one.

You people kill me .. always act like you care about the indians .. you don't care about indians you just want your way .. and will use any excuse to get it ..

Actually, we do. You may not like it, but right now you're acting as if you don't care about them.

See but I'm a child of JESUS CHRIST I speak boldly

No you're not. Nice try though.

Hating all Christians is just as wrong as me hating all people who aren't. I wish you'd try to be a little more open minded.

Sorry Becky, we're just a little turned off by the bible-thumping ignorance on this thread. I have no problem with you being a "jesus-loving hippy", as long as moderation is inserted somewhere along the road.

And, lastly, Job person- we're going for the Newsvine record for posts on a single thread... can't you tell? :P

Don't you people have jobs? .. you trying to throw a flag one way or the other .. if you report something that's not one then it's a flag 15 yards .. LOL .. I believe you have called me a child and troll and some other things but hey your cool with me .. I don't care what u call me. see I already know when I speak like a do someone is going to call me something .. so like water of a ducks back now ..

I was calling myself a redneck in that statement just meant it has happened..

I care about the Indians. :)

I care about gay people. I think they're treated unfairly and find myself arguing that subject with other believers frequently.

I think you're turned off by me and discredit most of what I have to say for the mere fact that I believe in Jesus. That's pretty lame.

I'm married to a non-believer who still loves me. SOME of you people really are sad to me.

I never insulted you. I am not turned off because you believe in Jesus... actually that comment on my last post was directed at Ndee, sorry if I wasn't making that clear.

The moderation comment was also directed at Ndee. I really do not have a problem with you, I grew (growing) up in a Christian family. I am not turned off to them because they are Christians.

We fought to get away from someone telling us we had to go to church and their belief. we fought to come out the dark ages .. the constitution was written with Divine inspiration .. that also in the declaration of independence .. all men are created equal .. that is from the bible .. all men are equal in the eyes of JESUS .. you are endowed by your creator .. who do you believe that was ??

I care about all of GOD people ..

He says anyone who confesses with their mouth that Jesus Christ is lord is saved .. I do .. so will leave it there ..

I maybe turn off by non christian ignorance on this thread but I allow you to say what you please .. remember this thread was about Christianity and their beliefs .. so I thought I was on the correct thread

remember the TRUTH cuts like a double edge sword and the truth always wins .. it may take awhile but the TRUTH always wins

Thank you for clarifying Leafydebater. I was only offended by Don't You People Have Jobs comment.

Apologizing to everyone else for "feeding" us.

I got to get to work, but I have quoted nothing but the bible and the reason I have more is because liek 5 or more are talking to me .. I answer all .. Matt and your more than welcome to have your point of view ..

So who is your god ? does he have a book .. maybe i would like your god . can i read about him ?

I don't have a job. lol I had surgery last month and am gearing up for another so I have too much time on my hands.

Thought I'd attempt to lighten the load a bit. Thanks Matt.....I appreciate what you said. I truly don't mean to offend anyone. :)

the constitution was written with Divine inspiration

I thought we had been over this before. GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING America has in its system. We don't know if he exists. You may CHOOSE to believe it, however don't try to force it to us as truth, because it is not TRUTH, it is BELIEF.

Again, the bible is not a book of facts. It's a book of beliefs, and in my eyes has 10% truth to it, maybe less.

Although I believe it to be true, I agree with you Leafydebater that it is belief. Unless it can be proven as fact, it shouldn't be imposed upon others that way.

I think so many Christians forget that just because someone goes through the motions and says the "right" words (so to speak) doesn't mean they believe it in their heart. A good tree bears good fruit and a bad tree bears bad fruit. False prophets are the worst and why so many are against us. None of us know what's truly in another persons heart so why try and force it upon them? I'm a believer that Christians should minister to each other but be missionaries within the world. Those are two very different things and ignored by many Christians because they wanna preach too badly.

ndeepnow.This string is getting too long to make a coherent statement. I no longer have a RFID chip in my card. It has not stopped me from being able to use it. Besides if I need cash I could always just go to the bank personally.

I do believe the world is headed for catastrophe very soon. Not because of religion but because of physics. Everybody's familiar with the movie 2012, at that time the alignment of the earth, sun and planets to the galactic center of our galaxy are going to lineup. The concentrated gravitational pull of the outer planets on one side of the earth vs. the gravitational pull of the sun and the galactic center will cause the earth's crust to shift dramatically causing massive worldwide earthquakes, volcano eruptions, tidal waves and damatic weather changes just to name a few. I'm not saying the bible isn't accurate, I'm just saying the people of the time did not know how to describe in today's technological language what was really going to happen. This type of event has happened many times throughout the world's history before writing was invented. Have you ever heard of the Reis maps? They are over 2000 years old. They depict the positions of South America, Africa and Antarctica as seen from high orbit. They are geographically accurate to todays maps. Antarctica has no ice at the time the map was drawn. Could the sinking of the fabled Atlantis have been the result of the same galactic alignment occurring at that time? Could Noah have come from Atlantis? Could there have been more than one Noah? How do you explain why Australia has kangaroos but the American continent and Asian continents don't? If the story of Noah were true all the continents would have the same kinds of animals. Perhaps the story of Noah was a singled out story. There had to be others doing the same thing, they just landed in different places, South America also has a story of a great ship a landing and starting their civilization. I only bring up the Noah story not to discredit the bible but only to show the bible did not record everything in human history. I always try to keep an open mind to possibilities.

Ya know.....the Mians might be right and we're gonna find out soon enough. Either way, it's gonna get crazy because people are going to freak out!

You might like my article Terry. It's not that far off from a lot of what you just said. :)

What was done to the Native Americans was wrong.

Is it really because you never acknowledge them when you talk about America's history.

I wish you'd try to be a little more open minded.

Why would I when you just said I hate all Christians?

I care about gay people.

Did you vote in favor of gay marriage and do you support LGBT people adopting - or using other means such as surrogates or AI to have kids - and raising children?

Do you want to live like the indians

I am Indian.

LOL .. the Indians .. REALLY .. You people kill me .. always act like you care about the indians .. you don't care about indians you just want your way .. and will use any excuse to get it ..

Do you want to live like the indians ??? Build you a teepee .. sharpen you a rock into a arrow and kill wild game .. LOL .. remember what Matt said about Morons .. LOL .. GOD don't like you .. LOL

Ndeepnow; That was so ignorant and careless, it made me sick. You disgust me.

I have no respect for you now; Like I'd try and find guidance and Bible teachings from someone like you. That was uncalled for and you know it. Grow the hell up.

Oh Arteur.....here we go. lololololol

I do acknowledge them but Native Americans aren't the only topic of conversation. You're just being adversarial. Are you Indian or Native American? Let's try and keep it politically correct. (I know how sensitive you are)

I know how much you like to call me a liar. I see you haven't changed much sinse we last spoke. hahaha

Yes, I am for gay marriage but didn't have the opportunity to vote in my state. We've been through this before.

I don't believe in 2012, but I saw a website last year, just after they rediscovered the 13th constellation and a few other things, explaining how that this constellation, previously only mystical, when aligned with Earth in 2012, was how the world was predicted to end.

The Mayans did it centuries ago. That's the only thing I am wary of, because the steps that they have predicted keep happening.

Oooops....I should check my spelling better. :)

I also think gays should have the right to adopt. You may not like to admit it, Auteur, but we agree on a lot of topics. Religion isn't one of them but that's not the only thing to discuss or have opinions about.

Becky-

Shouldn't gays have equal rights as anyone else? This argument is heading down the same path that the racial argument was on in the '60's. Most of the anti-gay rights people out there are going to end up realizing their bigotry after this whole mess is settled- same as the anti- equal rights back then.

I am for gay marriage but didn't have the opportunity to vote in my state.

Didn't have the opportunity or didn't take the opportunity because you didn't want to compromise your religious beliefs.

I know how much you like to call me a liar.

You are, because I don't hate all Christians.

Absolutely Leafydebater! Gays should have equal rights as every one else. I fall into that debate all the time with other Christians. Then a lot of them accuse me of not really being a Christian. I get beat up a lot on both sides. That's ok.....I'm grown and secure enough to see what I believe to be right and gay people (in my eyes) are equal to every one else and should be treated as such. I'm not ashamed to fight for them too. :)

There was no vote in Kansas. NO!!!!! I'm NOT ashamed to say it to other Christians and I don't believe it's a contradition to my faith! Ya know....there are some gay people who also believe in Jesus.

All my god wants is for people to be good natured, with good intentions, and for us to contribute positively to society however and whenever we can.

That's how it should be.

there are some gay people who also believe in Jesus.

I know. Those are one group of Christians I don't hate.

You are in the category of "Christians I dislike" though for other reasons.

I don't know what those "other" reasons are and I'm willing to listen to what those are. I think it's just because I stand up against you. You try to bully people and I'm someone who fights back.

So....if I was gay and claimed Jesus, you wouldn't have a problem with me? What ever...blah blah blah

Oh wait....I remember....it's because I said I prayed for you. The only reason I told you I prayed for you was because you commanded to me that I couldn't. I can pray when I want about what I want. I don't have the right to make you pray with me but I sure can do it on my own.

I did apologize to you for that. I was naive at the time to hypersensitive liberals like yourself and have corrected it. You wanna hold a grudge then that's on you. You're not the boss of me. I think anything you have to say carries no weight. Grow up.

if I was gay and claimed Jesus, you wouldn't have a problem with me?

If you're trying to make it a laughable matter.

Oh wait....I remember....it's because I said I prayed for you.

There's other reasons.

Do tell......I'd love to hear your false accusations. I'd be surprised if you lay it out there though because you're full of sh.... and know I'll call you out on it.

Then again, if I've truly wronged you, I'll admit it and be remorseful. I don't try to hurt people. Even you.

I'm sorry for throwing liberal out there Matt. I have nothing against liberals. I said hypersensitive liberals who radically dislike conservatives. I'm in the middle of the two.

I could respect her "view" if she didn't throw in the bull@!$%# that I hate all Christians.

Peace guys. We have other enemies to bicker with.

Oh, and Matt?.................

..... Congrats! You've hit 300 comments!

You're welcome ;)

Then I stand corrected Auteur. I thought you did strongly dislike all Christians because of the way you attack. I guess it's not my faith but me personally. Well....we can't be liked by everyone. I'm cool with that....peace.

I pray we don't ever meet in person because I have a feeling neither one of us would be in very good shape afterward. You're Native American and I'm a 5'9 Swede. It would probably be a tough match and we both are pretty hot headed. lol (yes, my attempt to be funny)

Thanks for calming me down you peacemakers! :)

Sounds like a threat.

That was no threat what so ever. I was being silly in the second paragraph. I just think we have more in common then you'd probably like to believe. I just meant that I don't think either one of us would back down just like on here. You misunderstand or twist almost everything I say.

I concede....you win. Feel better?

Becky. I like your style, FR sent, hope you will accept.

You commented about an article you wrote about the Myan calendar. The timeline ends December 21, 2012. I checked your page but couldn't find the article you mentioned. I will try again later.

The great pyramid in Egypt when measured inside can be compared to a timeline clock of some kind that I cannot explain, but the measurements translated into time passages show a previous cataclysm, (the reason for the building of the pyramid in the first place) and the next cataclysm due to occur in approximately the same time that the Myan calendar portends. There is also another ancient calendar but I can't recall where exactly because it has been so long since I last heard of it.

Auteur1536. I'm curious, which kind of Indian are you? Are you native American? Or are you from India on the Asian continent? That was never really made clear. Second question, why do you hate Christians, I understand not all Christians, but which ones and Why. Could you be Muslim? You talk like one, no offense intended. But it would explain a lot.

I am native American from the Turtle Clan, Mohawk tribe, Iroquois nation. My grandfather was the chief. That was on my father's side, my mother's side is Carmalina from Northern California, the city of Carmel was named after the native Americans who live there.

The theft of native American lands was not a religious quest, it was political. I have never met a native American Indian who hated Christianity of any kind. Some of them may not agree with it but they did not hate it. A lot of native Americans incorporated Christianity into their beliefs.

One of the reasons I ask these questions is because I don't want some people getting the wrong idea about native Americans. The other reason is your dislike for certain religions should be clarified by giving reasons why, such as, perhaps a priest molested you when you were a child? Christians don't have a monopoly on that offense. In Islamic countries it is the norm.

We fought to get away from someone telling us we had to go to church and their belief. we fought to come out the dark ages .. the constitution was written with Divine inspiration .. that also in the declaration of independence .. all men are created equal .. that is from the bible .. all men are equal in the eyes of JESUS .. you are endowed by your creator .. who do you believe that was ??

LMAO!! Jesus F Christ ndeep. Now you just keep twisting history around. You fought to get out of The Dark Ages? Have you even gone to school at all?

The Dark Ages was dominated by the Church. Your people murdered, raped, pillaged thousands of innocent Muslims and Jews in the name of your so called "All Merciful God." That's why they're called The Dark Ages. This was the time of The Crusades and The Inquisitions. Pope Urban would tell the Crusaders that if they died murdering infidels, they'd immediately get a VIP pass into Heaven.

A lot of native Americans incorporated Christianity into their beliefs.

Incorrect. A lot of Native Americans were indoctrinated into Christianity. Native Americans are not limited to the US. The surviving tribes in the rest of Central America and South America were forced to adopt Christianity by the Spaniards under fear of extermination. The ones that rebelled were exterminated like the Aztecs.

Thanks Terry....FR most definitely accepted.

My article I was referring to is the one titled, Why I Am a Christian. It's kinda out of the box and explains my reasons for believing what I believe but also that I'm very open minded to a bigger picture than just the Bible. Many people misunderstand me. I'm aware that I'm different. lol

I like the philosophy of life a lot of Native Americans have. I got the opportunity to hang with some while hiking the Grand Canyon with one of my girlfriends. One of the best experiences of my life. I've always appreciated learning and getting a taste of other peoples culture. We smoked from the peace pipe. Let's just say it's something I'll never forget. lol It was a treat they embraced me.

Native Americans are not limited to the US.

Sorry Andrew but Native Americans are limited to the US. Indians are not. There are many different types. Native Americans are American Indians. Sinse ya'll are being so critical....I couldn't help but point that one out.

Sorry Andrew but Native Americans are limited to the US. Indians are not. There are many different types. Native Americans are American Indians. Sinse ya'll are being so critical....I couldn't help but point that one out.

WOW! Yet another misinformed person. The word Indian refers to people from India NOT America. Christopher Columbus who wanted to travel around the world landed in the Americas and called the Native Americans he found in what is now Dominican Republic/Haiti, Indians.

Native Americans are all the original inhabitants of the Americas from Canada all the way to Patagonia and a large majority of them were also exterminated by the Christians.

Andrew3378.

The surviving tribes in the rest of Central America and South America were forced to adopt Christianity by the Spaniards under fear of extermination. The ones that rebelled were exterminated like the Aztecs.

Sounds exactly like what Islam is doing today!

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it! Every religion in the world is guilty of some form of extermination of those who don't agree with them. Today the only ones murdering in the name of their religion is Islam. Israel is not striking back in the name of their religion, they are striking back for survival.

Becky. When you smoked the peace pipe, what was in the pipe? Just curious, if you say you got the munchies I will understand. After all that is why we call it a peace pipe! I have three of them but only one has been broken in properly. Actually just tobacco was originally smoked and I'm sure other tribes have tried the good stuff at one time or another. Payote which is a cactus fruit is highly illegal except to native American tribes because it is part of native Americans religious ceremonies. It is nature's equivalent to LSD.

Well Andrew, I'll admit when I'm wrong. :) I got too hasty in my response. I know I just made myself look like an idiot but it wasn't the first time....nor will it be the last. lol I don't think I stand alone on that one.

Terry, I was told it was payote. We had our vomit pits in front of us and I saw things I've never seen before and probably will never see again. I've smoked the stuff that gives you the munchies. It was definitely not that! hahaha

See people! I love Jesus for loving me but God made me who I am and I don't think he's as up tight as a lot of Christians like to make him out to be. :)

Andrew.

The ones that rebelled were exterminated like the Aztecs.

The ones who rebelled were fighting for their lands and had very little to do with religion.

A lot of Native Americans were indoctrinated into Christianity.

By indoctrinated do you mean forced? DUHH!

But you also don't realize a lot of the tribes accepted it willingly, the Carmalina tribe in Northern California, my tribe just to name one. Pala, Rincon, Pachinga and Saboba to name a few others. We have a family bible that was started by Father Junipiera Serra himself when he built the mission in Carmel California. Do you know who actually built the missions? It was the native Americans and they were not slaves.

I hope this information helps you in your quest for knowledge based on facts.

Sounds exactly like what Islam is doing today!

Sounds nothing like Islam!! Are they the ones invading us or are we the ones invading them?

A little history lesson for you Terry. Have you ever read how the US met Bin Laden? In case you haven't, let's review. In the 1970's Russia made a move against the Afghans. The US saw a chance to gain some good will they could exploit for their oil interests in the region so they helped the Afghans. Who was leading the Afghans in the conflict? Osama Bin Laden himself.

After the conflict ended and the Russians returned to their corner, the US tried to stick around in Afghanistan. The Afghans weren't gonna have it. They realized we were as bad as the Russians and weren't helping out of the goodness of our heart.

Again, I'm not justifying his actions, I'm simply saying that some people who hate Muslims are so entrenched in their hate, they don't see the other side.

Case in point. Here's the reason I don't call the Iraq invasion a war. A war is fought between soldiers. This invasion is being fought between US soldiers and regular joes in Iraq who are pissed we are there.

Sure, there are religious overtones in the conflict because Westerners are predominantly Christians and the Middle East is predominantly Muslim. Historically speaking, it's not the first time Westerners have attacked their people. Nine Crusades can attest to that.

Why shouldn't they be pissed? I'll tell you what, if another country ever tries to come in here and invade us, I'll be the first in line out there with a gun shooting them down. I love the US too much to let it be taken over by anyone else.

But you also don't realize a lot of the tribes accepted it willingly, the Carmalina tribe in Northern California, my tribe just to name one. Pala, Rincon, Pachinga and Saboba to name a few others. We have a family bible that was started by Father Junipiera Serra himself when he built the mission in Carmel California. Do you know who actually built the missions? It was the native Americans and they were not slaves.

There's exceptions to every rule but apparently your knowledge extends to only North American tribes. Ask tribes like the Chibchas in Colombia the atrocities they went through.

In Central and South America, Native Americans were treated as slaves and after they were exterminated, then African slaves were brought in to replace them. Oh and to top it all off, the surviving Native Americans and African slaves were made to breed so they could create a stronger breed of slave, the Zambos.

There's more facts for you Terry.

You're right Andrew, it's about oil in Iraq. I haven't educated myself enough to really discuss the ins and outs of it all but I do think it's wrong and we shouldn't be there. I too wouldn't want anyone coming over here and would fight back.

Most of us are here because our ancestors were persecuted. My family is one of them as well. The world keeps on turning and we keep doing the same things over and over to each other. Just about every group of people has been wronged at one point or another because one thinks they're superior or right. When will we learn and stop it? Probably never because there's too much wickedness within too many of us. It's a sad reality.

Probably never because there's too much wickedness within too many of us. It's a sad reality.

That it is..... Sad I mean.

Andrew3378 -- get it through your head .. you are correct the catholic church did do those things. I'm not catholic and the catholic church put us inthe dark ages. they took the bible away from everyone and started teaching lies AKA " DARK AGES " I believe it was martin luther that help bring us out .. You are saved by faith through grace .. NOT BY WORKS ..

So see you are in the dark ages .. just trying to hate on a few bad men that did horrible things in the man of GOD / JESUS .. they were wrong we have moved on .. so come toward the light ..

Matt Rock .. I'm about to say somethings that will bother you but I believe it must be said, because the bible tells you it will be that way at the generation at the end.

You say your god has no book and he/she doesn't care if anyone worship or not.

1st -- that sure is a nice god you have.

2nd -- So you made your god up. Your god is a figment of your imagination. WELL

lets explore that a little deeper -- So you made your god up so really and truly you can change your god - bend him a little to fit your needs. WELL but lets dig a little deeper .. so you made him up and you can change him therefore you are him .. WELL .. so you are your own god. WELL and by all of your other post that i have read says you basically have a decent understanding of JESUS but you believe you know better .. WELL .. So you are your own god and know of JESUS but you think you know better than JESUS -- WELL so since you know more than JESUS and you are your own god then you have placed yourself ABOVE Jesus .. WELL isn't that what the anti-christ will do???

The bible does say the spirit of anti-christ is already here and the generation at the end will be heady - high minded ..

I hate to point those out but it's the truth. IT is only one GOD .. JESUS CHRIST .. he is the only one that died for you. He is the only way. remember the bible says men will say didn't I cast out demons in your name and JESUS will say I never know you. WHY ? because people will be doing those things in the name of their god NOT THE GOD .. JESUS

I hope and pray you understand -- I'm not trying to be mean or hateful BUT truthful ..

Auteur 1536 -- it's ok if you are gay. JESUS will forgive you but you need to confess your sins, but before you say anything listen. I'm a sinner and the harder I try not to sin "I SIN" I have been saying JESUS I know I shouldn't BUT and keep doing it. Nobody is perfect and JESUS died for all but we should try our best to walk a good path. We need to learn to rely more on the holy spirit than ourselves .. so back to homosexuals I understand they got a monkey on their back mine is drinking and chasing women but I try to stay away as much as possible and tell everyone to do the same that what i do is a sin. well I feel homosexuals need to do the same.

They need to tell people that they have a problem and don't do, but they want to tell everyone it is a matter of the heart and we should accept them. well like I said a matter of my heart may be sleeping with your better half, mom, daughter, dog all combined and after we are done rob your bank account.. IT'S A MATTER OF MY HEART so it should be OK .. It's LOVE and I know it is . I have never felt nothing like this before . I feel so alive when I'm sweating on your family ..

Whew ndeep! You're in deep now! lol You just started a fire. All though, there could have been a softer way of putting that, I'll probably be one of the few on here that know you're intentions and understand what you're getting at. They ain't gonna like it. :) I give you props for not being afraid of the wrath that is most likely to come.

Pride is wrong. Humility is the hardest thing for most of us to incorporate in our walk through this world. People who don't believe what we believe usually have a very hard time understanding why pride is destructive to themselves and wrong. Most see it as a good thing. It's what the devil uses the most to trick us. He doesn't care what anyone believes in as long as it's not Christ.

I don't agree with you on homosexuality but that's something you and I can get into on our own later. Being believers of the Bible, we both will accept what the Gospel has to say as truth. I don't like to quote scripture amongst non-believers because they don't believe it to be true. It's hog wash to them and pointless. For you and me....it's different.

wow.

Just when I thought you couldn't get and more belligerent or self-righteous... Out you come with that huge steaming pile...

Well guys... I for one have had it...

Later ndeep... IGNORE.

Becky -- I'm sure I have said things you don't like and I don't mean it mean .. I'm a sinner and fall short all the time, but I pick myself up out the gutter repent my sins dust myself off and try to get back on the straight and narrow. I'm sure my homosexual view may bother you, but again I believe they can be right next to me in heaven if they repent and stop asking people to accept them. Not saying they may not slip here and there like I do in my drinking or chasing women, but they need to repent .. tell Jesus to help them. .. trust me I understand you may have one in your family and that would make it harder but say you had one strung out on drugs you would try to get them some help ..

Don't you people have jobs? -- it's been really nice meeting you and talking .. if I can ever do anything for you please let me know ..

I didn't say I didn't like what you threw out there. I just said you could have communicated that a little softer. Even Christians don't agree or see everything exactly the same way. Not agreeing with you doesn't mean I don't think you have the right to say it or feel the way you do. I'm still willing to call you friend. :) That's why we continue to study and learn throughout our lives. We won't be done till we die. I know there's a lot more for me to work on myself.

Too many think that if someone disapproves of certain behavior that it's a personal attack. You're simply communicating what you believe to be good, true and right. I don't see anything wrong with that if it comes from you or anyone else. Believer or not. :)

Becky -- Amen .. That's the truth .. you must look in the mirror .. the bad thing is some days I forget to. It is always room for improvement and I promise I'm not trying to attack anyone. just trying to help and I welcome all that others have to say about me or my beliefs .. like you say maybe someone will open my eyes to something new but it seems most of the time they make me see that I'm right in what I say

Thanks

I forget to most days and today was one of them till about two hours ago. hahhahhaaha

I mentioned earlier that I had a surgery a month ago. It was a double mastectomy. I'm still enduring reconstruction and will soon be having my hysterectomy. I carry the ovarian and breast cancer gene. Physically, I was prepared....emotionally I wasn't. My mother died of ovarian cancer and today I visited with her oncologist who is now my doctor. I'm grieving my mother all over again. When I cared for my mother, there were things she said and felt that I couldn't understand until I found myself in her shoes.

When things like this in life come our way, I'm so grateful to have the faith I do. I have my Lord to lean on. I don't know how people who don't believe in anything get through life when it's completely out of their control. I couldn't do it on my own. He comforts me and gives me peace.

it's ok if you are gay. JESUS will forgive you but you need to confess your sins,

Jesus F***ing Christ ndeep!! You are a steaming pile of self righteous s**t!! Calling someone a sinner for being who they're born? You're not a sinner. You're evil incarnate!!

I hope when you die your POS God gives you a kick in the cojones and throws you into the deepest pit of hell he can find.

Calm down Andrew.......you think what ndeep said was unacceptable so that makes what you said acceptable?

You don't have to agree with him. Just because you don't doesn't give you the right to unleash all that. That's pretty hypocritical of you.

Calm down Andrew.......you think what ndeep said was unacceptable so that makes what you said acceptable?

You don't have to agree with him. Just because you don't doesn't give you the right to unleash all that. That's pretty hypocritical of you.

Hypocritical of me? He's the one being hypocritical!! Isn't pride a mortal sin? The fact the frakker is being so condescending indicates he's full of false pride and should be pushed into the deepest pit of hell for it.

Well.....that's the way to help him see the light! If you didn't notice, I didn't agree with him either on homosexuality.

That response of yours goes back to what we were discussing earlier. One group thinking their right and thinking it justifies cruelty.

You should feel good about yourself....you've already got two votes!

I hate to point those out but it's the truth. IT is only one GOD .. JESUS CHRIST .. he is the only one that died for you.

That's your own opinion. Sucks for you if it's false.

it's ok if you are gay. JESUS will forgive you but you need to confess your sins

Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say "homosexuality is a sin" so shut up ndee. Don't go preaching hardass Christianity that doesn't exist. Because right there you sounded like an ignorant b*stard. I don't know who you really are but that was not acceptable.

Andrew- yes, pride is a bigger "sin" than homosexuality.

I say this because only the first one is a sin. The latter isn't. So, ndee, you've been sinning this entire thread with your pride. Just sayin'.

that's the way to help him see the light! If you didn't notice

Frakker wouldn't see the light if it him in the face. He's got his head so far up his butt, it's in his throat.

Leafydebater, I agree with you. I did a search on homosexuality and couldn't find it in the Bible. It talks of perversion being harmful to our spirit and destructive but not homosexuality and they are two totally different things. So many want to put the two together and I don't agree with them. Two companions loving each other and being committed is NOT perversion regardless of their sex.

Yes, pride is listed as the #1 sin and there's a big reason why. Many disregard it.

Thanks Becky. I'm eager to see what ndee says about this, assuming I didn't shut him up.

I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't come back. I have the same faith but obviously a different denomination. He's one against many on here and been kinda ganged up on. (not by everyone) If only 1 non-believer was on a thread of believers, how do you think that person would feel? They get equally hostile at times. It's easy to be mean to someone when there's a gang of supporters behind you. (not you specifically)

I'm sending a FR and hope you accept Leafydebater. I think a lot of what you have to say is pretty insightful. :)

He's one against many on here and been kinda ganged up on.

Becky, here's what it comes down to. I think I speak for many here that don't have a problem with any religion. We're not haters as Christians try to make us out to be. Hell, my girl is Catholic and one of the sweetest, most wonderful women I'll ever have the honor of meeting. She's the love of my life.

The issue is when people like ndeep come in to preach and force their beliefs on everyone else with the complete certainty that theirs is the only way to be. Go through this topic and read how many posts ndeep has made. A ton.

The worst is he's not debating anything, he's not making any points. All he's doing is preaching and preaching and then preaching some more and in the process condescending to all the people who are not like him.

For the most part I have tried to ignore him. In fact I thought about not tracking this seed anymore because zealots are single minded so there's no use arguing.

The thing that stopped me was that I liked seeing what other people had to say to him so I stayed and today after reading that particular post of his, I blew up.

How dare he? He's a human. He's insignificant like me. How dare he judge someone by calling them a sinner and putting himself above them. That really pissed me off.

If there is a God and I do believe in a God, just not the Christian God, he/she/it is the only one to judge and I truly believe that if there is a hell, this guy is headed there.

Notice I say I believe, not I know. I don't preach my beliefs as gospel truth.

Andrew3378 said == I hope when you die your POS God gives you a kick in the cojones and throws you into the deepest pit of hell he can find.

I say -- I pray you make it to heaven so we can hang out and fish all day or what ever you do. I pray you calm down and just listen. I hate no one .. I love all .. I pray for you an your family I pray for everyone. but I have told you .. I come with the full armor of GOD ..

Your playing in the big leauges now. You are mad I don't believe like u. I don't I'm not being mean to you. I have said I'm sorry for saying such. please don't take it wrong. That I'm a sinner that falls short all the time. I really hate to admit that one but I do. In all my Bullcrap I fall short BUT

I'M SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in JESUS CHRIST .. my sins have been payed for .> ALL OF THEM I'm saved because I know that I'm not worthy .. Eternity .. ETERNAL LIFE .. think about that ?????? JESUS says he created all. A story that has been around for 3500 years and the more you study the more it makes since and he say everlasting life. I believe it is something you should put stock in. I believe it is something more out there ann it tells you this. It tells you in the latter days but I will stop there because I have more to say but placing in the next post

Ephesians 6:10-20 I cut down a little

I sod my feet in peace but I do put on my breast plate of righteousness and my sheild of faith to quence all the firey darts and may sword which is the word of GOD .. remember the truth cuts like a double edge sword for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

Notice I say I believe, not I know. I don't preach my beliefs as gospel truth.

I make a point to do the same Andrew for the same reason as you. :)

Here's where I think he's confused and I guess why I have more tolerance of him and other zealous Christians. A lot of Christians think that if they don't present what they believe as fact then they're denouncing Christ which is the worst thing they can possibly do in their eyes. What I don't think they understand is that sort of thing ONLY applies to those who choose and accept it as their own personal truth. He honestly doesn't mean any harm....he's trying to save you or anyone else who doesn't believe it. He can sit in Sunday School all he wants and talk of it as fact because they're all in agreement.

I don't think it's my place to save anyone. I believe only Christ saves people. Yes, it says in the Bible that we are to preach the Word. They frequently misunderstand that God doesn't need our help. In actuality, we are to be a witness. THAT'S how we get the opportunity to "preach". It's by someone seeing the peace in our heart and wanting to know why we live and believe the way we do. As you describe your girl.....she seems to be kind hearted and you love and respect her for it. Once someone decides they want it, then we can show them the Bible which is our guide. He never once gave me the impression that he thought he's any better or less faulty than anyone else on here. He wants everyone else to be forgiven just as he believes he is.

I don't think his intentions are as bad as it may feel to you. Peace

Leafydebater .. I hate no one .. I'm a sinner also .. a Homosexual sin is no worse than mine .. In JESUS eyes we are on the same level .. If you break one then you break them all ...and I'm sorry i don't sugar coat things but I really hate to type. So I get right to the point also BECKY and I still love you. thanks for all your help but here it is from the bible

•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

I'M SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH in JESUS CHRIST .. my sins have been payed for .> ALL OF THEM I'm saved because I know that I'm not worthy .. Eternity .. ETERNAL LIFE .. think about that ??????

You only wish, man. Judgement has not come for you quite yet. As long as you are on this earth (see, I'm shifting my stance here?) you will be judged by Jesus, by God, and by all. Just because you go to church and pray and quote the bible doesn't make you immune from God's judgement.

Which, by the way, I'm sure he took note of that sh*tload of pride in that comment. Pride is a sin, you may have just knocked yourself out of heaven.

I have to admit.

With a lot of what I've read from ndeep I think, "Ohhhhhhh nooooo, ndeep! You're turning them away and that's not helping!"

I too want every one else to be in heaven. I too want every one else to feel peace. I think that's natural.

Becky .. you got to know .. if you believe in the lORD JESUS CHRIST then you are already there .. he said I will never lose you or forshake you .. if you believe then you are already there " HEAVEN ".. He says if you deny me I will deny you if you confess me I will confess u to the FATHER .. read

Ephesians 6:10-20 to you beleive .. Armor Up .. The time is here

Here's where I think he's confused and I guess why I have more tolerance of him and other zealous Christians. A lot of Christians think that if they don't present what they believe as fact then they're denouncing Christ which is the worst thing they can possibly do in their eyes. What I don't think they understand is that sort of thing ONLY applies to those who choose and accept it as their own personal truth. He honestly doesn't mean any harm....he's trying to save you or anyone else who doesn't believe it. He can sit in Sunday School all he wants and talk of it as fact because they're all in agreement.

Which is precisely what absolutely befuddles the hell out of me. Jesus is portrayed to be the coolest guy ever. He hanged out with his peeps and treated them as equals so why should they be afraid of him? It seems to me that instead of fearing him the way Jews fear their God, they should relax and get off their damn high horse.

As long as I believe in God, no matter which God but at least have faith, why does it matter which faith it is? Fine, I don't believe in his God which to me is a self-righteous bastard, it doesn't mean I don't believe in God at all.

ndeep should live and let live instead of preaching. All he's doing is turning people off with his holier than thou attitude, especially when he condescends to what he calls sinners like homosexuals.

He should be more like you that keeps it real.

Becky .. you got to know .. if you believe in the lORD JESUS CHRIST then you are already there .. he said I will never lose you or forshake you .. if you believe then you are already there " HEAVEN ".. He says if you deny me I will deny you if you confess me I will confess u to the FATHER .. read

See what I mean about condescension? And he's doing it to a fellow Christian!!!

Becky .. He says my sheep will hear my voice John 10:16 ¹⁶"I have ^(S)other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become ^(T)one flock with ^(U)one shepherd.

2 timothy 4:4 ⁴ They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Oh, dear. I'm gonna have fun with this one.

•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

psh. 2000 year old history and an empty threat. The times have changed where people do not shun that behavior anymore. "Abomination" does not mean any action, it's just a statement. 1 down, 3 to go.

•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH..... in the year 1300. Again, times have changed. God has never killed a homosexual outright and this requires human action anyway, of which there is going to be none.

•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Great. We don't believe in your god. And that never says "sin".

•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Depraved mind, huh? I can tell you that all my gay friends are quite normal, so this can't be true. And again, no sin.

I have a big problem with these coming from the bible. The bible was not written by god and since he created the whole concept of homosexuality, I would think that he's ok with it.

Besides, before Jesus became popular, he was an outcast, which means his first followers were also outcasts. And who do you think was in the "outcast" group? GAYS.

someone mad because I bring confidence .. I want Becky to know that everything is ok .. Becky roman 8:28 God works all things to gether for good .. TO THOSE WHO LOVE HIM

Sometimes that means hard times like you have been facing, but you keep your head hi because he works all things together for good .. the good and bad and I don't know where your journey goes but I do know if you just love him everything is going to be OK

just keep telling him you love him and you have faith that everything is ok

laef .. LOL hahahah hahahah ahahahha ahahahhah ah ahahhaha asdajkhfasduifhasiogjbj mzdfiop .. lol

Something's wrong with the way I shut you down again? Or are you just randomly regressing back to 3 year old behavior?

sorry had to get that out ..lol .. let me try and understand all of that .. WOW ... The bible talks about what happens when homosexuality becomes the norm .. the days of LOT .. read about it ..

Depraved Mind -- aka STRONG DELUSION .. I'm sure you read my earlier post .. so if you don't believe in JESUS then you may already be there .. UNDER STRONG DELUSION .. LOL >>>>

THANKS .. you are correct JESUS went to all the sinners first ... GAYS .. thank you JESUS THANK UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

no sometimes you just have to laugh

I was really praying that you would have said I never know that .. that's what i say evertime I find something new in the bible .. I'm like blown away how was a book wrote from so long ago and make so much sense .. ?????

MIND BLOWING

See that's the difference .. Most people just believe .. I know it ..I study it and I tell you it's ok that you are a sinner .. it's ok .. just stop for a second and tell the one who created all .. Tell Jesus .. say I'm coming with every bit of faith I can and I really asking you to save me .. i accept you .. show me .. you are my lord and savior .. make me what you want me to be ..

When he needs you he will clean you up ... just accepting him is number 1

Don't worry about nothing else .. I know that's totally different from everything you have heard .. If you accept him he will change you, but it will be for the better ..

Well, if it makes you feel worse, you just proved my point too.

Just because you claim that you know every single piece of christianity and the bible does, first of all, not make you "enlightened", nor does it make you better than anyone else. And by the way you continuously keep preaching your stupid bull@!$%# to us, you're accomplishing the exact opposite.

To reiterate a point made earlier, you never present fact. You keep yelling JESUS this and GOD that, but it never actually proves anything. No matter which bible quotes you use, nothing so far is helping you. And that's why we're still against you.

Your sinful pride is killing you ndee.

this post is about GOD .. It started off as me telling matt that JESUS loves all .. them I keep giving you JESUS WORDS ..straight from his WORD .. that's what so amazing to me ..

He shines his light but the darkness did not understand

I AM A SINNER .. I have so many faults .. that's why I'm saved I know that I'm not worthy ..I'm saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH

Yet you realize that his words mean nothing to us. Words are words, nothing more. Facts will win us over, but the Bible contains no facts.

"Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me."

FACT .. never seen a monkey turn HUMAN .. not even once .. lets dig a little deeper .. what did JESUS say about man and women .. he created women from man .. from his RIB .. and when they marry they become flesh of flesh and bone of bone .. this is a very special .. if we come from mokeys then gays or ok because we or just changing

Listen to it ..

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-are-gods-no-longer-a-basis-for-young-people-to-respect-old-people-van-jones-brown-nose-youth-recruitment/

FACT .. never seen a monkey turn HUMAN

LMAO!!! That's your argument against evolution? You've never seen it? You deny the existence of fossils that clearly indicate the change of one species into another? Man, are you deluded?

and that was your argument for it

you must be typing ..

Becky can u tell me what this says

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ²By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that, confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; ³and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. ⁴You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. ⁵They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. ⁶We are from God; he who knows God listens to us;he who is not from God does not listen to us By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. 1 john 4

Becky .. remember Daniel 12:4 I believe .. Knowledge shall increase .. also he said seal up this book until the end ..

The bible is unwrapping it's self .. we can see the light .. time is near ..

ndeep

You know why many like me reject Christianity? Precisely because of people like you. Since you've been so upfront, I'm gonna be upfront. You're a pest. You're like a freaking mosquito buzzing all over the place bzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzz, you keep coming on here preaching your BS and driving everybody insane.

If you were someone like Becky who believes what she believes but respects other's beliefs, you might be taken seriously. You might even achieve what you set out to do which is gaining converts. Instead all you do is turn people off. People who might have wanted to come on this topic to discuss the actual subject of it don't wanna come in and participate because you're here buzzing away.

If that was your objective, kudos, you achieved it.

andrew has becky brought you to JESUS .. seems like you two have spoke a few times .. Andrew soon some are going to heaven and some or not .. I can't judge as you say .. I can't invite only JESUS can ..

I pray you find him .. you don't have to believe as me .. you don't you just have to believe in JESUS .. Know he died for you.. All you have to do is accept his pardon and ask him into your heart .. tell him to make you what he wants u to be

andrew has becky brought you to JESUS .. seems like you two have spoke a few times .. Andrew soon some are going to heaven and some or not .. I can't judge as you say .. I can't invite only JESUS can ..

I pray you find him .. you don't have to believe as me .. you don't you just have to believe in JESUS .. Know he died for you.. All you have to do is accept his pardon and ask him into your heart .. tell him to make you what he wants u to be

You can pray until the world ends and you end up in hell where you belong and I will still reject your God. With people like you following him, he must be a seriously sick POS. I want nothing to do with him.

Oh my goodness! I just got back from church and hadto read through 25 more comments! It's Wednesday night ndeep....... (just kidding.....sorta)

I sooooooo want to help you out and stand with you ndeep but I'm really feeling convicted over this. As I said before, I don't like quoting scripture on this forum but I think this is important for ndeep to read. You draw a lot from the OT. We're not Jewish and even though we study the OT as well, the NT cleared a few things through Christ's coming. If you say we should follow the lifestyle of people in the Bible then it would be ok for my husband to have multiple wives. You are killing potential sheep ndeep! As much as I don't like saying that to you, you refuse to see it and hear how fast they're all running from you. I pray you'll be receptive and know I'm trying to help you too, fellow Christian.

Mathew 7:15-23

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus by their fruit you will recognize them. Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Romans 2:1-4

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

Kindness brings people in........hatefulness does not. You can't expect non-believers to see it the way you do. They need to see your good fruit....not your prophecy or preaching.

see that's waht I told you .. it's no winning you over and I understand that, but you want everyone to feel sorry for you .. that CHRISTIAN GUY s picking on me .. he tells me the word of JESUS and I can't stand that ..

Kindness brings people in........hatefulness does not. You can't expect non-believers to see it the way you do. They need to see your good fruit....not your prophecy or preaching.

Very well said. Thanks for adding such a valuable perspective Becky.

but you want everyone to feel sorry for you .. that CHRISTIAN GUY s picking on me

LMAO!!! Self righteous much? Jesus man, you are one prideful SOB. Becky, isn't Pride one of the seven mortal sins? Or is it Vanity? This guy has got either of them in spades.

He reminds me of a a movie called The Devil's Advocate with Al Pacino playing the Devil and saying that Vanity is his favorite sin because everyone falls prey to it.

Jesus raised the dead and some did not believe .. You must understand that you can't no matter what you do save some .. again JESUS said my sheep will hear my voice .. I put on my shield of faith .. armored up .. no firey darts .. see you may believe I'm far off base but times are changing fast.

When you are ready to accept what is going on I pray you will remember the things i have told you .. time is getting short .. and I will not always be here

and I will not always be here

The sooner you're not here, the better as far as I'm concerned.

1 Corinthians 1:18

¹⁸For the word of the cross is ^(AI)foolishness to ^(AJ)those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is ^(AK)the power of God.

Do you understand this ???? JESUS is telling you all who do not believe " THAT DIE " " ARE NOT SAVED " teaching about the word of GOD is foolishness

Does that sound like someone you know ??????????????

andrew .. I understand the truth cuts like a double edge sword .. but if you will just confess to the lord everything will be ok .. get that hurt off of you .. I know you are in pain .. confess it and when satan trys to throw it in your face tell him to take it up with JESUS because you gave it up and jesus said I put it away .. tell the devil to take it up with him .. and I mean tell him outloud

becky i believe i read some where we thess people just get mad .. WHY ??? you seem like a nice person .. they say u are BUT they still get mad .. SO IS IT MY HARD WORDS .. that scares them away .. they where like that before I got here ..

ndeep

When you die, and I hope it's real soon, say hi to Satan for me. I am 100% positive you'll be seeing him in the flesh and then you're gonna regret all the BS you spouted in your life.

I am done with this thread. You are one sick assho*e and I hope you burn in hell for eternity.

TEST THE SPIRIT . I gave you the script

Again .. I pray you go to heaven .. spend forever with him who created all .. when you get there call him JESUS .. that's his name

Bible in Basic English
And they gave a loud cry, saying, What have we to do with you, you Son of God? Have you come here to give us punishment before the time? Matthew 8:29

It's pride Andrew that the Bible stresses as so deceitful. Vanity isn't far behind though. That's why Jesus came as a peasant and not a king.

Ndeep....yes, I believe that Jesus came to earth to save us from our sins. I believe that God is pure and holy as the Bible says. I'm not pure or holy and don't feel worthy of his presence without cleansing. He's superior to myself. Screaming at people that they're going to hell if they don't accept Jesus is the WRONG way to win them over. If you still can't hear me then you most likely never will. The same as people who don't believe in what we believe, it's their choice as it was yours. Each one of us gets to decide for ourselves whether or not we feel lost and want to seek him. It's not for you to tell them they need it.....they have to want it for themselves.

Amen sister .. It is up to them . I'm giving you his word . that's why i have provided scripture for everything i have said .. it's his word .. not mine

I have already accepted that some are not going .. I understand this .. no matter what u do or don't do .. I'm trying to let everyone who does believe that it's okay to come out in the open .. come out .. show yourself .. we are the winners .. we lose a few battle but we win it all .. you don't have to fight and kill .. just stand your ground and say JESUS says everything is ok .. romans 8:28 he works all things together or good to those who love him .. kill me if you want .. I'ma achild of the most high .. everything is ok

Becky if you could have met me a few years ago .. DAMN i was WILD .. and everything changed I found GOD and started reading the bible and it explained itself to me .. I keep telling you I'm a sinner and I know this .. but I love the word of JESUS .. I see everything coming true and IF I lying to you I'm so SORRY .. i pray everynight the JESUS doesn't allow me to lie that's why I back everything up with scripture unless I'm talking from my heart one on one

what did david say .. read that .. he already knew he was a winner .. he already knew .. JESUS already told you that you would be hated in his name .. be proud

becky it's ok .. i know you didn't think i would ever go this deep and now you are stuck in the middle you can deny me .. I can't save you but know what i tell you is the truth

I'm not hiding my faith. I claim Christ openly and DON'T deny him. He's mine, in my heart and I'm keeping him. I'm a follower of Jesus' love and not his wrath and I'm even a Baptist! Northern American Baptist to be precise which is faaaaaar from Southern Baptist which is Hell, fire and damnation.

I'm sorry brother. Even though you think I'm missing it and worldly, I think you're the one who's off base.

I like Andrews description of Jesus and very close to how I see him. He is kind and tolerant of me and I'm so very very grateful for his grace.

becky you are proud of andrews grace ????? WELL ..sounds good to me

see I only like his grace ..

see I'm texting and typing . talking on the phone .. but it seems like by now someone would have said is the bible always RIGHT

yes my child yes

ndeepnow, though I understand where you're coming from - you do not honour Him by driving away the flock - it's not enough to call yourself a sinner - "first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." Matthew 7 v 5

I am sure you know the preceding passages well.

mighty mouth .. WELL I could go deep but I wont .. but I will comment .. I took the log out my eye when I accepted JESUS .. I understand I'm not perfect .. I understand I have to repent .. I understand. I have judged myself and found that I'm not worthy . I now understand that you are saved by grace through faith ..

I didn't say I was grateful for Andrew's grace. I'm grateful for God's grace. (reading back I see that wasn't clear) No offense Andrew but I don't worship you. bahahahaha jk

I said Andrews description of Jesus is similar to my description of Jesus. Jesus was pour, humble and full of love. The times that Jesus got angry was when so called Priest or leaders deceived people and turned them away from God. He was very tolerant and accepting of ALL people. He made people want to follow him because of the way he behaved. He was sinless and pure. They could see it in him.

You're a born again Christain. I was saved when I was nine. Please be careful ndeep, you're faith is too dependant upon screaming from the mountain top. When you get exhausted from peoples rebellion against you, you might fall and fall hard. I'd hate to see that happen to you as it's happened to so many others.

BECKY .. they killed JESUS .. they KILLED JESUS .. I'm GLAD EVERYONE WAnted to follow

Geez.......of course there were those who hated him. There always will be those who turn against him. You and I are not their judge though. Why do you think he was crucified?

On the flip side, thousands came to him and believed. Feeding of the 5,000, etc, etc.

Just because you're saved, that doesn't mean that log isn't still in your eye. It just means you're forgiven for it.

OK test the sprit ..

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ²By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that, confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; ³and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. ⁴You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. ⁵They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. ⁶We are from God; he who knows God listens to us;he who is not from God does not listen to us By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. 1 john 4

ask them all

see it's amazing when you really start reading the word of GOD .. I'm not the one who is wrong .. it's scary but I'm right

but if you will just confess to the lord

But Andrew and I have clearly stated dozens of times that we're not confessing to your freaking lord because we don't believe in him.

Back to evolution: Ndeep I am beginning to grow concerned about your mental health. Firstly, you don't seem to get the fact that we don't believe in your god and you keep driving us further away. Secondly, you seem to accept the bible as the final truth, which is isn't, and I'm sure Becky will agree with me on that. Third, everyone knows that monkeys do not turn into people with a little *poof* in a few minutes. Evolution happened over thousands of years, and this is one thing that your bible has wrong, because we have fossils from those stages in between.

First, you don't seem to get the fact that we don't believe in your god and you keep driving us further away

YOU ALREADY DIDN'T BELIEVE .. Nothing I said .. NOTHING .. JESUS said we have of our own kind .. and we still do .. dogs don't mate with cats .. mice don't mate with snakes .. we have of our own kind

see u are born without a spirit .. WHY .. because Adam sold u out .. he did .. and ever since we have been having of our own kind .. born without spirit .. you get the spirit when u accept jesus .. he sends u the holy spirit

see this book gets DEEP

Oh, ndeep. You really have no idea.

There are many ways of obtaining "spirit". One is religion, yes, but one may be a passion in life. In my case, my spirit belongs in 2 places: teaching and kicking ***.

There are others, but that's just an example of how not everything in life is connected to Jesus.

Matthew 6:24

²⁴"^(AD)No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and ^[a](AE)wealth.

Guys seriously DNFTT!! This guy will keep talking no matter what. He's a lunatic. I sent an email to the author to delete the article or kick this guy out. I'm hoping some of you will send him supporting emails as well but if you don't want to, I understand.

andrew .. hut hut blue 38 blue 38 .. hut hut .. lol

I called his momma .. and @!$%# don;t listen to him ,, he is the devil .. stay away

Actually he isn't. I'm an angel sent from heaven to warn you that you have been trolling and I'm getting rather tired of it.

u are .. u are from heaven.. if u are sent if the question

yes, I believe that Jesus came to earth to save us from our sins. I believe that God is pure and holy as the Bible says. I'm not pure or holy and don't feel worthy of his presence without cleansing. He's superior to myself.

Do you believe that he is pure and holy when he commits mass murder and, by all accounts, is pro-abortion?

I would argue that you are actually more moral than your God, Becky.

Screaming at people that they're going to hell if they don't accept Jesus is the WRONG way to win them over.

This is exactly what makes your theology toxic, Becky. Even if you don't spout the fire and brimstone, it is still one of the fundamental tenets of your belief system and is the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

If it weren't for the threat of punishment and the promise of reward (partly to compensate for the fact that most humans are frightened of death), Christianity would have fallen apart many years ago. But since they crafted the world's first widespread boogeyman and ruthlessly tortured and murdered non-believers, Christianity is what it is today.

LOL! Fairness achieved.

As regards the clip: examining the failed trigger finger location, my reaction was that it was a minor miracle that she had the butt of the weapon against her shoulder. Of course, her normal head wedging pretty much guarantees the proximity of her own shoulder to her a$$.

Speaking of wedged heads, I understand the SBC is desperate for a distancing strategy for Westboro Baptists and the term "Talibaptist" has come up. But let's face it, the God-brokering business has never had it so tough. Dogma is essentially a fungus after all -- relying on dark (unenlightened), moist (it's all about anti-intellectual emotion, baby) places to thrive. Nothing like a dose of internet examination to make the stuff die and stink to high... well, you get the point.

Given the jacka$$ similarities, is the spelling of the "gifted" enclave wrong? I mean, "Westburro Baptist" <GRONK, tweeeeet> seems about right. Wait! Do the blessed touring minstrels have a mascot, yet?

I disagree with the altering of free speech. The phrase you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater comes to mind and we look at that as common sense. Free speech is not free when you put limits on it. As I said before along with enjoying free speech comes the requirement that you use it wisely. We are talking about a small group of idiots here who do not know what they are doing. Altering the right would be a victory for a bunch of morons and who wants the morons to win?

ROFLMAO

You made my day. Thanks. :D

Sometimes stupid people exist simply to serve as an example.

Hey, Coral, glad I don't live in YOUR America the Beautiful....where do you live? The America I live in is beautiful! The Constitution will never become obsolete.....sorry!

Its not hate it is getting the publicity that fills their coffers here.

Yes, you are right. Just like the publicity that is given to Ms. Palin, et al.

That Palin is really unique! I sure wish McCain had never found her! She plays to the boys in the balcony, Matt! You pays your nicklel for a few bumps and grinds!

Or was it "mourn with those that mourn an comfort those that stand in need of comfort?"

Because WBC doesn't do that

I'm sad to say it Tyler, but I doubt anyone in WBC has ever actually read the bible.

The more I research them the more I agree with that statement, they know one here and there, but they can't see the overall picture.

They actually wanted to go to the funeral of the 9 year old girl. They actually believed that the girl is in. And that it is the parents fault.