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Amidst historic flooding, PETCO store allows animals to drown

Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:36 PM EDT
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In the panic, confusion, and disarray of catastrophic flooding, accidents will happen.  But one tragic story has highlighted extreme levels of malfeasance on the part of a large corporate pet store, PETCO, which allowed an estimated 100 animals to die as the Twin Tiers experienced record flooding due to Tropical Storm Lee.  The corporate pet store chain claims they did no wrong, but countless scores of area residents beg to differ.

Flood warnings came early Wednesday, with the Declaration of a State of Emergency being signed by Broome County Executive Patrick J. Brennan at 1300 hours (1:00 pm) that afternoon.  Some area schools, such as Ann G. McGuinness in Union, were dismissed at 12:45 pm due to the risk of flooding.  Metro areas throughout the southern tier were being evacuated by the early evening, with those evacuations intensifying all throughout the evening. "NY ALERT," an automated messaging service that calls New York State residents to warn of severe weather advisories and other emergency news, had contacted my home at 8:21 pm, and several more times throughout that evening, informing us of the State of Emergency and that flooding may be as severe, or even more severe, than the flooding our area suffered in 2006.

By 9:00 pm on Wednesday, the State of Emergency and the evacuations were common knowledge to area residents, as was evidenced by the massive surge of related comments and status updates pouring into social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter.  That, coupled with the numerous calls placed to area residents by the NY ALERT system, and breaking local and national news headlines, makes it rather impossible for area businesses to claim they weren't aware of imminent flood risks.  PETCO, however, is making claims to the contrary.

PETCO claims an associate was sent to the store at 11:45 pm (their standard business hours having ended at 9:00 pm) on Wednesday evening to check on things, and had reported that there was no flooding in the area.  They also claim that no one at their store was aware of flood warnings in the area.  They claim that the flooding that affected their store was not from the Susquehanna river, but was rather caused by clogging in the sewage/ drainage system in Johnson City.

However, the State of Emergency had been in place for several hours by the time they closed that evening, and evacuation orders had been given in several metro areas as well, some locations having been evacuated before 9:00 pm, and many, many others having been evacuated before 11:45 pm.  City officials and experts across the board state that while the clogging did contribute to the flooding, the river itself did a vast majority of the damage.

PETCO has entered a state of damage control at this point, attempting to deflect any culpability for the deaths of the 100 animals that perished in the floods.  However, the store's management and employees did, as an absolute matter of fact, have several hours to relocate animals from their store and prevent those losses of life.  The warnings were blatant, obvious, and area residents considered them to be common knowledge.

The associates, the management, and the corporate staff should all be tried on 100 counts of animal cruelty... one for each of the animals killed by their reckless endangerment and total malfeasance in the face of an obvious, imminent disaster.  They had more than enough time to act during this crisis and save those animals.  They made the conscious decision to not rescue those animals or take adequate precautions that may have prevented loss of life.  If these were human beings locked in caged and forced to drown by laziness and ignorance, those PETCO employees would go to prison, and many of them would never again see the light of day.

When this story started to break yesterday, Facebook erupted in a massive burst of comments regarding PETCO and their cruelty toward animals.  Links to local news stories spread like wildfire, and before the evening was through, Southern Tier residents had made their views resoundingly clear:  PETCO is to blame for those deaths, and the obvious state of the impending disaster makes it obvious and inarguable that PETCO was fully warned of the coming flood, and did not act on those clear and present warnings.  Countless scores of area residents have vowed to boycott the store.  Many are talking about organizing protests as the flood waters continue to recede.  It has become obvious that PETCO will have a very difficult time operating in this area in the future, and if it were up to a public vote, they would be banished from the Southern Tier altogether.

I'm not one to usually leave articles on a sour note, so here is the silver lining.  In a related story, the owners of another local pet store, Pet Depot at the Town Square Mall, acted heroically to save the animals trapped in their store.  Borrowing kayaks, they valiantly put themselves in harm's way to literally row into their store and rescue as many animals as they could before the flooding became too severe to do more.  While it remains unknown if any animals lost their lives at the Pet Depot store, one fact stands in defiance of contradiction:  The owner of Pet Depot is a hero, and the story of their bravery in the midst of a major disaster stands as one of the most inspiring stories of heroism that has surfaced in the wake of this historic flooding.  Unfortunately for PETCO, however, it also illustrates just how vile their in-actions were during this disaster.  Still, this Newsvine columnist hopes that after the dusts have settled and the city has regained its composure, the owners of Pet Depot will be given the heroic recognition they truly deserve.

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js-445607

Great article Matt. It is good to see that Pet Depot did the right thing. Petco's actions or lack thereof, boggles my mind. Run those guys out of town.

  • 31 votes
#1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:42 PM EDT
Matt Rock

My friends and I are planning protests currently and we have every intention of making our voices heard on this. I won't feel as though we've accomplished anything until these jerks are brought up on animal cruelty charges... 100 counts thereof!

  • 28 votes
#1.1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:24 PM EDT
js-445607

That is a great play, Matt. These big cheeses think they can be exempt and entitled. We need to knock them down a peg or two.

  • 17 votes
#1.2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:41 PM EDT
Anatoly-Rex

That's Capitalism, babe: Cost of evacuating the animals > net value of the animals = leave animals to die. Unfortunately for Pet Co, they didn't realize there is another factor to the equation - public outrage.

  • 25 votes
#1.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:03 AM EDT
landspirit

Great article, Matt and thanks for bringing this to our attention. The coldness of a society that bases acts not upon kindness and basic humanity but upon the money gained, has been seeping through every sector of our lives. When society does not protect the innocent and helpless than it has lost itself to evil. I wish I knew when this all began, but I wish more to know when it ends.

  • 14 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:02 AM EDT
a1623AlgonquinmutTDeleted
WoodieRae-3499404

Think like a corporation here, and you'll understand their motivations:

1) Animals perishing in a flood will be considered "inventory losses", which will be covered by insurance

2) Humans going in to save "inventory losses" will likely put themselves in harm's way, thereby jacking up worker's comp claims, should harm befall them. This jacks with their experience modification, impacting their bottom line.

3) Bottom line will always be the bottom line for businesses. Our way to mitigate their callousness is by impacting that bottom line harder. I will never, ever buy from Petco again.

  • 16 votes
#1.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
800 lb. gorilla

i can not condemn without more information. certainly the death of these animals is a tragedy, but i can not say whether, or not, they were truly negligent. there may be an other side to this story.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
michelle-1073610

Petco=pet corporation=profit and loss. Bastards, never again will I go there and will tell all my friends to boycott them. Tragic, keep up the good work and keep us up to date.

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
Thunder Storm

I agree Gorilla, I would like to read a bit more on this incident before jumping in, however, if this is in deed factual, then I call for a boycott on Petco.

I will stay tuned, I mean how hard would it have been to let the birds fly free? I remember a pet store fire in Pasadena, CA and the birds were released. Many graced the trees for many years to come, but at least they had a chance to make a go of it on their own.

  • 8 votes
#1.9 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:02 AM EDT
HolmanArthurDeleted
haterofstupid

No need to "read more". They knew the animals were in the store and did not get them out. The employees working there knew the animals were there. The jackass that locked the door that night knew. I live in NW PA and knew that area was going to flood before it did..

There is no excuse for why this happened. 100 living things in cages and NOONE was watching out for them?? Bull @!$%#

  • 11 votes
#1.11 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT
Matt Rock

Agreed Haterofstupid. Anyone who lives in this area, especially those of us who lived here in 2006, should have known that mall was going to flood, like it did back then. The State of Emergency was issued early in the afternoon, too... there's no way none of the employees in that store knew about the flood warnings, the SOE, or the serious risk that store faced of flooding. That mall, Town Square Mall, and other stores were obviously going to flood. And this flood was even worse than that of 2006. It really doesn't make sense to me that they could even be pretending they didn't know.

  • 10 votes
#1.12 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:05 PM EDT
Radical_Centrist

WoodieRae-3499404

Think like a corporation here, and you'll understand their motivations:

You got that right....even a "good guy" corporation like Costco is guilty of things like that. A number of years back after the Florida hurricanes during the extended power losses that hit the entire region, Costco would have rather lost all their perishable food to spoilage rather that to give it to employees or local food banks. No, I'm not comparing food to pets, but corporate decisions made with focus to the bottom line, even at corporations that are considered one of the "good" ones.

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:56 PM EDT
Nightbreeeze

Matt,

I understand your anger over this, but I thought I'd offer a little info.

1) malfeasance is defined as the performance by a public official of an act that is legally unjustified, harmful, or contrary to law; wrongdoing (used especially of an act in violation of a public trust). You may view the actions of this company as heinous, but the use of the word malfeasance is not strictly applicable in this case.

2) You state in your article: "They made the conscious decision to not rescue those animals..." If I were you, I'd reword this line immediately. This can legally be construed as slander unless you can prove the statement (doubtful).

Anyway, good article. Thanks.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Can they prove that they didn't know about the flood warnings, the state of emergency, or the serious risk their strip mall faced by the impending flood? Mountains of evidence show that their claims are quite impossible. If they did know, then they made the decision not to rescue those animals, operating their store with regular store hours until 9pm and staring this disaster in the face for several hours, without acting, while customers came in to buy supplies for their pets in preparation of the flood, while radios, local/ state/ national news sources blasted warnings, while social media outlets filled up the cell phones of employees with messages. I'd be surprised if family members didn't call those employees to make sure they were okay, seeing as how it's common knowledge in our area that their mall flooded in 2006.

Like I said before, a lawsuit will hurt them far more than it would hurt me... and far less than it hurt those innocent animals that their carelessness murdered. Taking this to trial, counter-suing, and firing up a media circus over what they did is the very least I could do on behalf of those animals that wrongfully perished. And as far as I can tell, or anyone can tell for that matter, they did make the conscious decision not to rescue them. No one is as ignorant or as misinformed as they're making themselves out to be.

As for malfeasance, good call, that was the wrong word to use. Though I've heard it accepted in the popular vernacular as being wrongdoing at the hands of others, with the parenthetical example as being that of public officials, law enforcement, etc.

  • 11 votes
#1.15 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:37 PM EDT
newwtricks

@A1623aLGONQUIN:

You make a claim that society began to become cold and heartless in the late 1960's when parents turned on their activist children. What about all of the instances in history before 1960, when society was far more ruthless than just allowing animals to suffer a horrible drowning death? What about slavery? Child labor? Torture? Civil War? Are all of these not examples of a cold heartless society? And were they not in existence long before the activism of the 1960's?

But, I noticed that you try to tie in that society was fine until that particular point in time, which just so happens to coincide with what you WANT history to represent. It isn't the 1960's or the activists of that time frame that are an explanation for society. It was as good or as bad as you want it to be. In every time frame, there are snap shots of what was good and what was bad about any particular society. It is what you choose to extract from that time period, the good, or the bad that will be your intrepretation as to whether it was worth living in, or not.

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
Nick46

Unless you were there all you have is speculation. But if saving your ass was the priority then so be it. They were animals and just because we use them as pets it makes no difference. We kill and eat animals these sre no different.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT
tychonaut

Yep. Anyone who is voicing their outrage here had better be vegetarian.

  • 2 votes
#1.18 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT
WoodieRae-3499404

Touche.

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT
Matt Rock

I'm not a vegetarian. I'm voicing my outrage.

Animals that are raised on a farm for the sole purpose of food production are vastly different than animals raised as pets. You can't set a cow into the wild and expect it to live very long... people have tried, always with terrible results. And farm animals are dying for sustenance. These animals at PETCO died for no reason whatsoever, in the most inhumane way possible.

I'm opposed to sport hunting, massive meat farms that treat animals inhumanely, puppy mills, and, yes, pet stores being irresponsible and drowning animals. Being a meat eater does not instantly disqualify someone from caring about animals, and it's pretty outlandish to say otherwise. That's sort of like saying a vegetarian has no right to be an environmentalist. I mean hey, after all, you're eating that which gives us oxygen, aren't you? Dicing up the ecosystem for your salad?

  • 8 votes
#1.20 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:18 PM EDT
Remote Viewer

Well said, Matt. I have the greatest respect for vegetarians. But they have no monopoly on compassion. I believe that, despite our disagreements and the differences in our customs, we are all more alike than we are different.

  • 7 votes
#1.21 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:24 PM EDT
Dowser

There is a vast difference between an animal raised for food, and an animal reared for pets, as Matt so eloquently describes.

There is no need to mis-treat the animals in our care, for any reason. They rely on us for food, water, light, air, 'homes', etc. I, too, am opposed to animal feedlots, puppy mills, etc. And yes, I eat meat.

There is no need to confuse issues, just because you disagree.

I was alive and well in the 60s, and I don't think that people didn't care. I think that people cared too much. It was a lot more than smoke dope, take drugs, have wild sex and do your own thing. The 60's was also responsible for the Civil Rights movement, caring about the environment that spawned the formation of the Clean Water and Clean Air acts, etc. The 60s was a time of great turmoil in our country-- and much hatred, just like today. In fact, I've never seen so much hatred now, even back then-- but the issues were much the same.

That's just my own personal observation.

  • 7 votes
#1.22 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:30 PM EDT
bitemore

What Matt, RV, and Dowsey said.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:33 PM EDT
Starseeker

Matt, out of an abundance of caution I must ask have the authorities found PETCO negligent? I have no idea about the circumstances however I feel we are, if not in this case we are in other cases, succumbing to lynch mob mentality. Twitter, Facebook, many other Internet sites facilitate the spread of information very rapidly, often prematurely and inaccurately.

Id just as each of you before embarking on actions related to any situation not just this one to make sure those actions are well founded. Pardon me if you have already done that in which case... carry on! Personally I have my own biases against PETCO but that's not relevant here.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:38 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Sadly, our city is still slowly recovering from the flood, with Blackhawk helicopters waking me up in the middle of the night, so the authorities haven't had the opportunity to start looking into this yet. Local politicians have vocally opposed PETCO, various authorities are saying they're to blame, and I know a DA office has been hammered by demands by local citizens to seek justice for this, but we probably won't hear anything from authorities in regards to an official inquiry until later in week, or maybe even next week. We have to repair our city before we can pursue anything regarding PETCO. Until then, we'll make sure this news story doesn't go anywhere ;)

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
js-445607

I was raised on a farm and the animals we raised for food were treated very well. My pop would say, "A Pet is a Pet until dinner time" and encouraged us to play with our food. We were taught that, like humans, one animal isn't better than another. Just because we ate one and gave another tummy rubs was no excuse to neglect or ignore the one that was going to provide a yummy meal.

  • 7 votes
#1.26 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
CrowMeris

js:

I was raised on a farm and the animals we raised for food were treated very well. My pop would say, "A Pet is a Pet until dinner time" and encouraged us to play with our food. We were taught that, like humans, one animal isn't better than another. Just because we ate one and gave another tummy rubs was no excuse to neglect or ignore the one that was going to provide a yummy meal.

I understand this very well, as my grandparents ran their place the same. Their philosophy (although they would never use such a fancy name for their beliefs) was that every animal deserved its bit of earth and sunshine to grow to its fullness. They were treated well, protected, sheltered, fed - and in return they graced our table.

This is a strange concept (and often is derided as cruel) to those who believe that the pork chops in the mega-mart somehow got there by magic.

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:55 PM EDT
arkpdx

to those who believe that the pork chops in the mega-mart somehow got there by magic.

I could not be a farmer, at least not anyone who raised animals for food. While I do like a good steak and fried chicken is wonderful, I don't want to have a personal relationship with my food. Mighty glad that there are those that can though.

  • 3 votes
#1.28 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:03 PM EDT
js-445607

My dad started cattle drives at age 8. Those cowboys had to find their own meat and it usually consisted of rattle snake, wild rabbits, deer and the like. Once he established the farm he explained that he could raise his own meat and left wild game to those that could not. The philosophy of the day could certainly be used today, CrowMeris! Mahalo

arkpx, I understand completely. I see the PDX in you name, our farm was 13 miles north of Portland. Morgan Road, off St Helens Highway.

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
CrowMeris

arkpdx:

I could not be a farmer, at least not anyone who raised animals for food. While I do like a good steak and fried chicken is wonderful, I don't want to have a personal relationship with my food. Mighty glad that there are those that can though.

I, too, would a problem with the slaughtering aspect of it myself now that I'm nearly forty years removed from farm life. I've hesitated starting a flock of chickens because of it. I don't want to get into it unless/until I'm sure I can to do the job right and humanely as possible.

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:57 PM EDT
tychonaut

I'm just saying this...

The article states that around 100 pets were killed and the author says that 100 counts of animal cruelty should be charged.

Now.. were all of these animals puppies? No.

I am willing to bet that a good number of those 100 precious furry lives were made up of rats, mice, gerbils possibly some snakes, some birds, perhaps a tarantula. I'm sure they wouldn't leave fish out of the total, as that would have been very insensitive. Maybe there were a *handful* of dogs and cats. At least thats what it is like at most of the pet stores I have been to. And I assume that whoever reports this story wants to include *every possible death* to make the grand total something that will really shock readers, right? I mean... they don't lowball on stuff like this.

So we arrive at a total of 100 that, unless my concept of what is inside a modern pet store is completely out of whack, is made mostly of small little things that many of you have probably poisoned and/or personally caught and killed at some point in your lives.

So when they are handing out the punishments for animal cruelty here, some of you had better hope that the Association of Mice, Rats and Rabbits don't remember *your* faces in the courtroom.

    #1.31 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:15 AM EDT
    Fufu

    Any animal in a pet store is there because a human has taken the responsibility of caring for that animal. It is not an analogous situation to putting out mouse traps in a barn or garage, where the human has taken no such responsibility.

    In effect, once the animal is placed in the pet store, there is a contract between human and animal. Because most animals cannot willingly accede to the contract (dogs and to some extent cats being animals that can do so), it is even more vital that the human holds up his or her end of the contract. This includes providing food, shelter, and in the event of an emergency, a means of protecting or removing the animal from harm's way.

    • 8 votes
    #1.32 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:03 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    #1.31 - So we arrive at a total of 100 that, unless my concept of what is inside a modern pet store is completely out of whack, is made mostly of small little things that many of you have probably poisoned and/or personally caught and killed at some point in your lives.

    So when they are handing out the punishments for animal cruelty here, some of you had better hope that the Association of Mice, Rats and Rabbits don't remember *your* faces in the courtroom.

    tychonaut, I can't quite figure out where you're coming from with this. We might be in agreement. I have kept rodents as pets for the past 30 years and love the little critters dearly. A life is a life, no matter how small the package that contains it.

    IMO, Fufu, you are spot-on about the implied contract.

    • 5 votes
    #1.33 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
    800 lb. gorilla

    matt

    there's no way none of the employees in that store knew about the flood warnings, the SOE, or the serious risk that store faced of flooding.

    i can not agree with this. i would need to know each individual employees story. are they from the area? did they move there recently? did they know that the mall had flooded in the past. while it is quite possible that some knew, we do not know how many knew, or even if any knew, for sure. before one makes absolute statements, one needs to know every single detail. i do not, so i will withhold judgement. i suspect that, at least, a few employees were local, and had some knowledge of what could happen.

    • 3 votes
    #1.34 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
    Matt Rock

    Good point Gorilla, I really shouldn't have stated it as such. But for area residents, there are some 2006 flood images that are considered iconic, and it was rather difficult to avoid them in 2006. The Toys R Us image is definitely inside that collection of images you'd have been hard pressed to avoid in 2006. By sheer law of averages, I can safely say it's nearly impossible that everyone who works there is new to the area, especially in the case of the store's management, who are typically older. It's very unlikely that none of the employees were here in 2006.

    However, I do disagree that it's possible they didn't know about the flood warnings or the state of emergency. I don't really see how that could have been reasonably possible, actually. That would need to mean that not a single customer that day came in talking about the flood, that none of the employees visited Facebook from their cell phones at work, that none of their families or friends called them to ask if they were okay (and again, it's common knowledge that their mall flooded in 2006)... Mr. Bean or Jerry Lewis couldn't have gone the whole day without any knowledge of the coming flood. It was a national news headline well before they left work that day. The math they're expecting us to believe is incalculable.

    • 3 votes
    #1.35 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT
    Arieus

    This just rips my heart apart to read this and see how callous people are when it comes to taking care of animals. These people first responsibility is to all those innocent pets locked up that needed help. Leaving them behind to drown and die is inexcusable and all these people need to be locked up for animal neglect and cruelty.

    PETCO needs to go. They only see profits by selling these precious creatures that only want to be loved and to love.

    RIP all you little darlings.

    Thank you Matt for bringing this story to the Vine.

    • 6 votes
    #1.36 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
    WoodieRae-3499404

    My grandmammy, rest in peace, farming lady for decades, stated that an animal dying to feed another was not a murder but a sacrifice. An animal dying because of carelessness is an avoidable tragedy. These beloved pets, be they anything but spiders (sorry ... can't get past arachnophobia) would have comforted somebody with companionship. Now, they fought to survive and lost in a heinous way. That is the whole point behind this post. If you know you're gonna eat the animal, that's one thing. But if you're just failing to protect them, you're a soulless cad.

    • 5 votes
    #1.37 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
    800 lb. gorilla

    matt

    The math they're expecting us to believe is incalculable.

    this is more than likely true, but i can say from my own experience, that i had no idea that whole towns 20 minutes from my home were completely washed away during irene when i was that 20 minutes away receiving 13 inches of rain myself. of course, i was rather busy trying to stay above water. then the next week (lee), i was out of town for a few days and we received another 8 or 9 inches of rain, and i was unaware of it until two days later. i live a couple hours east of that particular store. for irene, we were warned, but no one would have believed that whole towns would have washed away. at least the people that live in those structures sought higher ground, save one. may she rest in peace. also, from the point of view here, human life was our first concern, and then certainly the animals. we lost a lot more pets and livestock than human life, but that is as it should be, from a human standpoint. gorilla is not so sure, himself, being part alien and all.

    you are right, though, this tragedy probably could have been prevented.

    • 4 votes
    #1.38 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT
    MarkD-555

    I'll be mutilating my PetCo club buyer card with a lighter and returning it burnt and warped.

    ---

    Yep. Anyone who is voicing their outrage here had better be vegetarian.

    <reply edited to comply with Newsvine user agreement>

    What the hell. There is a hell of alot of difference between a scared animal slowly drowning locked in a cage due to incompetence and one humanely killed for food.

    ---

    These type of public relation disasters always make me wonder....

    Lets say Petco issues a statement like this:

    We deeply regret the loss of life that occurred at our store at ____. We will be preforming company wide training, and firing the manager at ___— store. The events in no way reflect our company policy. While we cannot place a monetary value on the suffering and animal deaths, we will be making a $100,000 donation to animal charities to in some way reduce the suffering of other animals.

    Would the public forgive them? Would this be enough for you? What would suffice?

    I'm sure they won't bother and just hope the whole thing blows over and will be forgotten.

    • 5 votes
    #1.39 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:41 AM EDT
    Fufu

    We will be preforming company wide training, and firing the manager at ___— store.

    Stating that there will be company-wide training would be good. However, publicly stating that they are firing the manager at ____- store may be a violation of human resources policy as well as possibly opening the company up to a lawsuit from the fired manager.

    • 3 votes
    #1.40 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
    Matt Rock

    Would this be enough for you? What would suffice?

    Every PETCO store in the United States shutting down. Yeah, I know, never going to happen, but they've proven that they aren't responsible enough to have any living beings in their care, at all.

    Here's what I expect of PETCO. And I won't leave them alone until every single item has been provided, I should add:

    • All employees working during the flood between 1 pm (when the State of Emergency was set in place) to 9 pm (when their store closed) must be fired unconditionally, and their names must be handed over to law enforcement for any and all investigations and criminal charges. The store manager or the assistant manager supervising operations during that window, also must be fired.
    • PETCO must publicly release their company-wide natural disaster evacuation protocol, which must be updated to resolve errors presented in this flood, and absolutely must put the lives of the animals in their care above and beyond their profit line, without exception.
    • A public statement from PETCO where they state that the lives of these animals are all more important than their profits. They need to show us that they actually do give a crap about the animals in their care.
    • A large donation to the Humane Society and/ or the WWF wouldn't hurt, either. Don't let me set the number or PETCO will be out of business.

    When they do all of that, I'll think they're at least moving in the right direction. But make no mistake about it... this was a very vile act on their part, and they need to prove to people that they won't EVER do anything like this again.

    • 5 votes
    #1.41 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
    Fufu

    All employees working during the flood between 1 pm (when the State of Emergency was set in place) to 9 pm (when their store closed) must be fired unconditionally,

    I think that this could be a problem and disciplinary action against employees only needs to be conducted after a thorough investigation. If employees were not trained properly by management for a situation, I do not believe that they should be fired.

    • 4 votes
    #1.42 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
    arkpdx

    Fufu

    I agree. The rank and file employees should not be fired. I think a suspention would be in order but noy firing. The managers on the otherhand should be held responsible and given the boot. both litterally and figuratively.

    • 3 votes
    #1.43 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    I guess it depends on what the investigation turns up. If we learn that the employees were given an order and didn't follow it (which doesn't seem likely at this point), or if they were not given any instructions whatsoever in regards to evacuation (IE, no one told them to evacuate, or no one told them to not evacuate), then I blame them as much as anyone else, because caring for those animals fits their job description. Management should have acted either way. Even if corporate told them not to evacuate, they should have understood that some rules are meant to be broken.

    • 5 votes
    #1.44 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
    js-445607

    My daughter and I discussed this today and a couple of questions came up. One, is there a higher ground Petco in the area? Another is if Petco had spread the word they needed help evacuating before they shut everyone out we bet that there would have been no shortage of pet lovers willing to help out. If they couldn't take the pets back due to some law at least the pets would be alive not dead.

    • 4 votes
    #1.45 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
    tychonaut

    tychonaut, I can't quite figure out where you're coming from with this. We might be in agreement. I have kept rodents as pets for the past 30 years and love the little critters dearly. A life is a life, no matter how small the package that contains it.

    I am an animal lover and had I been there you can bet I would be in the store trying to give the little critters a chance. I am also very pragmatic and I hate hypocrisy. And I am also keen to point out the "I find this morally outrageous!!!" syndrome that plagues a lot of discourse on the Vine and in society in general.

    The pet store decided that the lives of the critters in there were not a priority. I am sure many of you have done the same at some point in your lives. I know I have. Many people calling for heads to roll over this would, if there own actions, home care strategies and eating habits were put under the lens, probably fall short of the moral high ground they claim to take.

    That's all I'm saying.

    • 1 vote
    #1.46 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:48 PM EDT
    bitemore

    #1.46: The pet store decided that the lives of the critters in there were not a priority. I am sure many of you have done the same at some point in your lives. I know I have.

    Then shame on you, but please do not make assumptions about others based on the shameful things you may have done! I can tell you unequivocally that I have never, ever treated an animal cruelly, abandoning them to die or any other cruel thing you might devise! I may be a carnivore, but damned if I kill for sport or the fun of it, or because it is "convenient." Remote Viewer is my roomie, and I know for a fact that she would never, and has never, done anything even close to cruelty, not toward animals, not toward humans, not toward even her car, for Pete's sake!

    So, please do not make assumptions about people you don't know, never met, and wouldn't give the time of day to if they passed you on the street! If you have skeletons in your closet, fine. Leave them there or put them on display for the world to see, but do not assume that others have behaved as you have.

    I can only hope that you learned from the things you are not proud of and that you won't repeat them. Maybe then the animal's lives you sacrificed won't have been in vain. But leave the blame at your own doorstep.

    • 8 votes
    #1.47 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:22 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Me, either. When I was short of money, my cats and dogs got their food before I got mine. They ate $.33 cat/dog food, and I ate $.26 vegetable soup.

    eeek.

    • 7 votes
    #1.48 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:52 PM EDT
    bitemore

    #1.48: They ate $.33 cat/dog food, and I ate $.26 vegetable soup.

    That is what I've done... I used to breed rats and mice, and there were times that money was tight. I managed always to be able to feed them, while also learning how to make a darned good chili for me that would last a week. And that would be all I ate until the next paycheck. The upside? At least I was skinny, then! But, my pets came first. They couldn't feed themselves, and as long as they depended on me, then I saw to it that they got what they needed.

    {{{{{Dowser}}}}}

    • 5 votes
    #1.49 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:02 AM EDT
    tychonaut

    So, please do not make assumptions about people you don't know, never met, and wouldn't give the time of day to if they passed you on the street! If you have skeletons in your closet, fine. Leave them there or put them on display for the world to see, but do not assume that others have behaved as you have.

    Skeletons in my closet? Puh - lease.

    You do not eat meat, and have never killed mice or rats or rabbits? Wear no leather? You have never killed insects? Snails in your garden? After all, "a life is life no matter how small the package that contains it" (see above). Or does does compassion only extend to cute furry feathered things? What about snakes? Or cockroaches put here by God just trying to survive and have a family, like us all. Or the millions of bacteria growing in and on the garden paradise of our bodies, annihilated by our daily cleansing rituals.

    I am not accusing anybody of anything. But I would be very surprised if what I said doesn't include *anybody* here.

    And like I said, I am an animal lover *and* a pragmatist. Which is why I would have tried to save the critters, but also why I roll my eyes when people call for a whole company (and jobs) to be brought down for the sake of (frankly) a bunch of mostly mice and rats and fish. And then these same people will go back to their leather jackets and chicken wings and mousetraps. Not you, perhaps. Not everyone here. But surely enough that it deserves to be said.

    • 1 vote
    #1.50 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:48 AM EDT
    MarkD-555

    to be brought down for the sake of (frankly) a bunch of mostly mice and rats and fish.

    Once again, It's not the lives, it's the negligence that allowed them to slowly drown to death for absolutely no reason other than incompetence.

    And if PetCo would actually own up to it and change how they do things in the future, instead of hoping it goes away, people would be much less upset.

    • 7 votes
    #1.51 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:44 AM EDT
    tychonaut

    Once again, It's not the lives, it's the negligence that allowed them to slowly drown to death for absolutely no reason other than incompetence.

    So then what about this...?

    If you donate 20 dollars today to any of a number of charities, you can save the life of a child somewhere in the world. You know this. Everybody here knows this. So anybody that doesn't donate the money is responsible for the death of a child. Wouldn't that be fair to say?

    The world is in a metaphorical "flood". Your and my inaction is allowing *real people* to die daily when we could easily save some. But somehow that is different? Because I guess it is not "my job" to take care of those people, as it was the Petco people's "job" to save the animals (which I would think actually isn't in the job description).

    Look.. I am not angry or anything in case it comes across like that. And it's too bad that a bunch of critters died in a flood (even though *every* flood is an apocalypse for small cute furry things and their friends in basements and sewers and gardens and sheds). And yes, I suppose Petco should have some kind of emergency plan for evacuating at least the dogs and cats (although I imagine the rodents and fish and lizards would be harder to evacuate quickly... and what a heartbreaking scene as the employees transport the big guys, but the little critters stay in their glass cages, sock burrows, and running wheels... "Sorry! You are just too much of a hassle!")

    Just trying to put perspective on it, you know. But if you find this outrageous, then by all means write a letter to the appropriate authorities.

    • 1 vote
    #1.52 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM EDT
    bitemore

    #1.52: Because I guess it is not "my job" to take care of those people, as it was the Petco people's "job" to save the animals (which I would think actually isn't in the job description).

    Apples and oranges. That there are starving kids in the world is unfortunate, but they have governments directly responsible for the situation they are in, and a LOT of aid sent to help is actually misdirected to the government coffers for the exclusive use of said government(s). That is a sorry fact that nothing you and I do can change. And, yes, we do support charities that funnel the money directly to the needy.

    The animals at Petco were there solely because Petco put them there. They didn't choose to be there, caged or otherwise. Thus, Petco DOES have the responsibility for their care, AND evacuation to avoid drowning as captives. If the animals had wandered in uninvited, then they'd be on their own just as all wild animals are. But PETCO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT THEIR ANIMALS CANNOT/COULD NOT ESCAPE!

    • 6 votes
    #1.53 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:37 AM EDT
    CrowMeris

    Which is why I would have tried to save the critters, but also why I roll my eyes when people call for a whole company (and jobs) to be brought down for the sake of (frankly) a bunch of mostly mice and rats and fish.

    The store may close. The employees will find work at the independent stores (or PetSmart) because of the increased business they will get from PetCo closing.

    And maybe this will provide the little extra boost in business that my favorite independent store needs to expand. This is a good thing - more money coming in, more money flowing out into the local economy instead of being siphoned off to corporate headquarters out of state.

    I can't manage to produce any tears over the prospect of a corporate octopus losing a tentacle. I don't shop at big-box stores of ANY kind - not Sears, not Wal-Mart, and not PetCo.

    • 6 votes
    #1.54 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:39 AM EDT
    MarkD-555

    So anybody that doesn't donate the money is responsible for the death of a child. Wouldn't that be fair to say?

    If that person puts a child in a cage first, leaves them there in an unreachable location, and does not bother to come back before they don't donate money, yes.

    At this point I think you proving your point of view to be the correct one has overtaken the discussion. If you think this is equal to all other events that involve any animal death of any kind, that is your business. It's doubtful you will convince everyone else that yours is the correct way to think with extreme fringe examples.

    • 6 votes
    #1.55 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
    Rahlly

    Dowser, bitey,

    I agree. Our pets... they are our responsibility. Therefore they come first. I remember my mom saying, "Even if we go hungry that animal eats." Because we chose to take in our cat. Now as an adult, I will find a way to feed myself, and so will mom. My cat (at the time, he's was put to sleep about a year and half ago because of kidney failure) was a 19 year old cat. No... he can not hunt even if he thought he could. He was a house cat which means he's not a feed his own self animal.

    As for tycho's whinge about humans going hungry even children... well children have parents for that reason. To feed, clothe, and house them. When the parent doesn't that when the government steps in and takes the child. That's why we have Child Services! Part of being civilized is taking care of those who can not take care of them selves. Child Services, Elderly Services, Health Services, and Animal Services. These are safety nets... get that, not first line. Parents, Pet Owners, Family members are. Just like we were responsible for the health and care of my cat, so too parents are responsible for the health and care of their children except one thing... children once they are old enough can ask for help. Animals can't.

    • 5 votes
    #1.56 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:29 AM EDT
    bitemore

    #1.56: children once they are old enough can ask for help. Animals can't.

    You said it much better than I did!

    • 5 votes
    #1.57 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
    tychonaut

    The store may close. The employees will find work at the independent stores (or PetSmart) because of the increased business they will get from PetCo closing.

    Although I doubt something like this could bring a corporation to its knees, I think it would be a fine thing if it did. And I think that at smaller "mom and pops" there would probably be less a chance of something like this happening.

    At this point I think you proving your point of view to be the correct one has overtaken the discussion. If you think this is equal to all other events that involve any animal death of any kind, that is your business. It's doubtful you will convince everyone else that yours is the correct way to think with extreme fringe examples.

    I find it hard to think that I am taking over a conversation on a web page. I cannot talk over anybody and you have to choose to read what I say.

    I don't think that all deaths are equal, but this does get a little roll of my eyes in the same way that the case of the girl who threw some puppies into the river in Eastern Europe triggering a worldwide manhunt got a little roll of my eyes.

    Tens of thousand of animals probably died in the flooding. Gajillions of animals die just from humans being humans. Look around your house and ask yourself how many critters died for your lifestyle. And then if you still want to get huffy and puffy about *these* critters, go right ahead. it just seems to me that there are much better things to get huffy and puffy about.

    As for tycho's whinge about humans going hungry even children... well children have parents for that reason. To feed, clothe, and house them. When the parent doesn't that when the government steps in and takes the child. That's why we have Child Services! Part of being civilized is taking care of those who can not take care of them selves.

    Thanks for the "whinge" remark. I think I am being pretty civil and rational in presenting my thoughts on the phenomenon of "moral outrage", personal responsibility, and the perception of value of life. I suppose you could reduce that to "whingeing" if you'd like.

    Your statement shows a particularly USA-centric viewpoint. Kenya? Somalia? The Sudan? Ethiopia? Do you think anything of what you said applies to places like that? Places where there is an ongoing daily crisis greater than any local flood. Or look closer to home and I am sure you will find unjust suffering of all kinds. It's just that a lot of it doesn't have a cute little tail and "those" eyes. If people want to go on crusade against Petco, great! I just hope that as they are avenging the injustices of the world they also shoot for some of the big targets.

    And I am not accusing any of *you* Bitemore, Rahily, CrowMeris, and co. But these are my thoughts on the issue and I think they may touch one reader or two and generate some thought, and thats great. I am sorry you guys think that I am so off-base here.

    For the record, I do not eat meat (although I am not vegan), do not own leather, do not own a car, recycle all of my trash, and for grooming I use soap, toothpaste, and deo - thats it. I have lived happily with mice visitors and even a rat visitor (once... eventually he got too much so I spent a day trying to "herd" him out the door). I dont keep pets because I don't think I can provide a very good life for them... I am on the road a lot. I could get a cute fuzzy easy to care for thing in a cage, but that would really be more for me than for it, wouldn't it?

    So I think I do get to call BS on *some* people who get all furious over animal welfare.

    • 2 votes
    #1.58 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
    CrowMeris

    tychonaut:

    Although I doubt something like this could bring a corporation to its knees, I think it would be a fine thing if it did. And I think that at smaller "mom and pops" there would probably be less a chance of something like this happening.

    I agree. The chances would be reduced simply because the store manager doesn't have to call a district manager, who in turn has to call a regional manager, who has to call headquarters, and wait for the answer to come back down the same route.

    My favorite store here in the Binghamton has its owner is actually in the store most days. No huge "chain of command" to follow when a decision needs to be made.

    • 5 votes
    #1.59 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:06 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    To go way back to Jewel's question in #1.45, yes, there is high ground all over the place in that area. Directly across the street from the PETCO store is a Cemetary, open to the public all day, that rises up a very large, very tall hill. Around the corner and up that hill, at the very top of Reynolds Road, is the Johnson City High School (where my mom was evacuated to, as you might recall from my Facebook posts). That school is a moderate walk from the PETCO store.

    As far as I'm aware, and I may be wrong about this, but that high school was open and taking in evacuees well before PETCO closed, and having seen several animals there when I went to pick up my mom, I'm fairly certain they could have made some concessions to take those animals in. All of the children that were evacuated to that location would have loved it, I'm sure!

    • 6 votes
    #1.60 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:59 PM EDT
    Dowser

    (((((((((((((bitey)))))))))))))))) I love you, dear friend.

    TDFTT

    • 4 votes
    #1.61 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:28 PM EDT
    bitemore

    #1.61: I love you, dear friend.

    Back atcha, dearest Dowsey!

    • 4 votes
    #1.62 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:26 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Thanks Matt. The bottom line for me on this debacle is the lack of caring and compassion for the animals. Of course, the company is going to try to wiggle out of their gross neglect but not without having a lot of flack thrown their way, as it should be. Why are we as a country allowing such crimes to happen and simply say, "Oh well, too bad"? I think more people speaking up and saying they won't have it the better. If we are careless with the creatures of our planet what does this say about us?

    • 3 votes
    #1.63 - Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:43 PM EDT
    Reply
    Remote Viewer

    This is horrifying. I have hereby made my last purchase from PETCO. Thank you for alerting us to this unconscionable and callous behavior on the part of PETCO management.

    • 16 votes
    #2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Update: I found this related article. Also got on the PETCO Web site and told them exactly why I am through buying pet food and supplies from them. They used to get quite a bit of my business.

    • 13 votes
    #2.1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:22 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Thanks Remote Viewer, I'll do the same.

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:02 PM EDT
    Lkessler

    Count me in, RV. Petco and I are OVER!! (and I'm in the Twin Cities!)

    • 8 votes
    #2.3 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:09 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Thank you, js and Lkessler! Hugs to you guys!

    • 7 votes
    #2.4 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:17 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    Please sign the petition, gang! I'll post this in another comment down below as well. Spread the word, PETCO will not get away with this!

    • 5 votes
    #2.5 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:26 PM EDT
    Lkessler

    You're welcome. You know, there's one thing that we say at home, that only fools die in hurricanes, because they come announced well-ahead of time, giving you plenty of time to evacuate and get out of its way. I'd like to amend that to say that the helpless die in them to, sometimes because they're left at the hands of cruel people who will do nothing for them--nor get help for those whom they can't help.

    The fact that the Petco people chose to simply leave those animals behind to die a most cruel death is utterly unconscionable to me. I will not patronize them ever again. I'd rather go to PetSmart--it's closer to my house.

    • 13 votes
    #2.6 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:27 PM EDT
    bitemore

    #2.5: Please sign the petition, gang!

    Done!

    • 5 votes
    #2.7 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Petition signed. Thanks for starting it, Matt. It already had 722 signatures last time I looked.

    • 7 votes
    #2.8 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT
    redphish

    This is horrible. I have signed the petition that you linked and will not shop at Petco from now on.

    • 7 votes
    #2.9 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:38 PM EDT
    Kavatica

    No more petco for me either. Off to sign the petition. Thanks for the information!

    • 5 votes
    #2.10 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
    js-445607

    I signed and posted on facebook. If enough of us boycott around the country that would be ever so nice. It worked for the Kona coffee farmers against deceiving Safeway.

    • 7 votes
    #2.11 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:46 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    I didn't start the petition, a friend of mine linked it to me on my Facebook page, so I shared it here. Figured I'd clarify that so I didn't get any undue credit ;)

    • 8 votes
    #2.12 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:46 PM EDT
    CCArm

    Petition signed! Thanks for sharing the sad story Matt. I don't shop Petco, but I certainly won't in the future and I will spread the word.

    • 8 votes
    #2.13 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:24 AM EDT
    Arieus

    #2.5: Please sign the petition, gang!

    done! -and thank you again Matt for bringing this story to the forefront of the Vine.

    • 4 votes
    #2.14 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:34 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    My pleasure, the more people know about this tragedy, the better off we'll all be I think. PETCO won't get away with this!

    • 1 vote
    #2.15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:56 PM EDT
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    T'omm J'Onzz

    great column. a perfect example of why oppose animal retail and don't support any store that sells animals.

    "Petco - Where the pets go"... to die?

    • 14 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:03 PM EDT
    mountainfirefall

    thanks, i hadn't heard this up to now.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:12 PM EDT
    ww-chs-sc

    Giving all the animals away is not a claim PETCO can make on their insurance, but allowing all of them to die is a claimable loss. People (corporations/sarc) are heartless.

    I am away from home to much to be a responsible pet owner therefore I have none; I do love those little green lizards that scamper up the bricks on my home. If I were fortunate enough to have a pet I would not make purchase at PETCO, ever! Heartless bastards!

    Matt Roc, thanks for bringing this issue to my attention.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:24 PM EDT
    js-445607

    I have geckos for pets. I wouldn't want a pet from a retailer store either. I'd go to a shelter and get a gently used one.

    • 12 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:04 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    I always get pets from the shelter at a local veterinarian's office. Puppy mills are a vile, disturbing display of just how despicable corporate scumbags are, and how low they'll stoop to turn a profit. :/

    • 16 votes
    #5.2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:29 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    #5 - Giving all the animals away is not a claim PETCO can make on their insurance, but allowing all of them to die is a claimable loss.

    I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that this was their motive, ww-chs-sc. If so, I hope the stink that's being raised will alert the insurer to the gross negligence of the decision makers who allowed this outrage to occur. Should be reason enough to deny any claim made by PETCO for its totally avoidable "losses."

    • 8 votes
    #5.3 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:05 PM EDT
    bitemore

    #5.3: Should be reason enough to deny any claim made by PETCO for its totally avoidable "losses."

    Oh, yes! That sure would be a case of justified irony! It wouldn't bring the victims back, but just the thought of Petco having another reason to twitch makes me smile!

    • 6 votes
    #5.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:42 AM EDT
    Reply
    Davy-755715

    My dogs come from shelters, or I take ones that other people don't want any more. The mixed breeds have always been just as friendly and loyal as the purebreds.

    • 14 votes
    Reply#6 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:26 PM EDT
    Rahlly

    And mutts are generally healthier as well.

    • 4 votes
    #6.1 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:10 PM EDT
    Reply
    1devon

    Heart-wrenching and maddening. How anyone could make the choices they did is beyond me. They need to be held accountable. I can't stomach when animals or children are mis-treated. Petco has a lot to answer for.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#7 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:40 PM EDT
    bitemore

    What makes me sick is that in addition to any dogs and cats that may have died, there were also little critters: birds, rodents, even fish (just because they can swim doesn't mean they will survive in polluted flood water). I know Remote Viewer has patronized Petco frequently - I am with her on some excursions, and she also deals with them online, and I can promise that they will never see or hear from either of us again. Caged animals have no hope of survival when flood waters rise above the tops of the cages. They were trapped and they were drowned. The mental image of their panic as they struggled to keep their heads above water until there was no more "above water" in which to float will haunt me forever. Imagine a human trapped in a car that is under water, but cannot open a door or a window and eventually the oxygen is sucked out of any air pocket there may have been, and you will understand what 100 animals went through in that store.

    The sooner Petco is drummed out of business, the better.

    • 16 votes
    Reply#8 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
    jupiter2

    From my experiences at these kind of pet stores, they don't "sell" dogs and cats- but have adoptions. They do not house adoptable dogs there, but they do cats, i think. I can't help but wonder what types of animals perished, but I agree with you- even if they were 25 cent goldfish it is unacceptable for a pet store to show such a lack of care and compassion.

    • 5 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT
    arkpdx

    I can't help but wonder what types of animals perished

    The Petcos I have been in generallyhave ferrets rats mice birds gerbils guinea pigs and the like and all type of fish. Some had adoptable cats also.

    • 8 votes
    #8.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
    js-445607

    Our Petco has a lot of livestock so it makes sense that the Petco in question also had a huge inventory.

    • 5 votes
    #8.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
    Reply
    demdame

    Burn in hell Petco

    • 7 votes
    Reply#9 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Clipped to my column as well as Animal Lovers, Critter Chatter, Fur Babies 'R' Us, Pets That Are More Than Pets, and Reigning Cats and Dogs.

    God bless the decent and compassionate folks at Pet Depot.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#10 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:15 PM EDT
    JAVE

    It sounds like bullshyte that Petco was clueless about this. Sounds like they just wanted the insurance money.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#11 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:21 PM EDT
    bitemore

    Anyone in Broome County, here's the contact info for the DA: Email Broome County DA: gmollen@co.broome.ny.us <gmollen@co.broome.ny.us> Maybe if he hears enough of an outrage, he'll get this before a Grand Jury and maybe someone can be held accountable.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#12 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:23 PM EDT
    Dowser

    This makes me want to throw up.

    Thank you for the article, and I, for one, will NEVER EVER set foot in a Petco store again. Poor little things...

    • 7 votes
    Reply#13 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:33 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    If you're as disgusted by this story as many Binghamton area residents are, please sign this online petition!

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/say-no-to-petco/

    • 8 votes
    Reply#14 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
    Lkessler

    Additionally, I already sent an email to Mr. Mollen...

    • 10 votes
    #14.1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:45 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Signed and done.

    • 7 votes
    #14.2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:47 PM EDT
    js-445607

    I also sent an e-mail. I hope Mr Mollen is flooded with e-mail from around the country.

    • 9 votes
    #14.3 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:53 PM EDT
    Sally

    Comment # 15 deleted for being off-topic.

    • 7 votes
    #14.4 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    Thank you Sally :)

    • 5 votes
    #14.5 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
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    NorCal ResidentDeleted
    Marshall James

    Just an observation here.

    i see people on both sides of the political spectrum denouncing this corporation for its actions or lacktherof.....boycotts......no longer get their business.

    this is the foundation of freedom people....you dont need a government to put in place new laws......the people if they band together can institute change in corporations or run them out as they rely on money....and it can be done very quickly.

    I try to stay away from the big corporations so I dont shop at petco.....so this wont change my behavior.

    freedom....its a great thing.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#16 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:16 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Interesting observation, james, with much truth to it! When a critical mass decides to rock the boat, things begin to happen.

    This discussion has reminded me that, while we Americans are often rude, contentious, thoughtless, and not particularly kind to one another, by and large we do love our pets. Corporate behemoths like PETCO would do well to keep this in mind. I'd like to think PETCO is headed for a "Hell Hath No Fury" moment.

    • 9 votes
    #16.1 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT
    Dowser

    I hope so.

    • 4 votes
    #16.2 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:29 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    If they weasel out of this somehow, through some nonsensical loophole, then yes, we do need laws to be adopted, and it's situations like this that should be used as the foundation for new laws when necessary. We might drive PETCO out of the Binghamton area for good, and who knows, maybe this story will pick up a bigger national movement and hurt PETCO across the board (fingers crossed!). But laws need to be constantly modified and added to to prevent things like this from happening down the road. Corporations have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted to do the right thing. We shouldn't wait for tragedies to unfold for progress to take place. Laws should be dynamic and should fluctuate with necessity and the advancements of our society as a whole.

    • 7 votes
    #16.3 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:55 PM EDT
    Marshall James

    matt

    this is where you and I disagree.....the world no matter how hard you try will never be without injustice...and in our attempts at trying to stop it we are enslaving ourselves...what may seem like a harmless law.....will have unintended consequences....the path to hell is paved in good intentions as they say.

    dont want to get into this on this good article.

    petco will not get my business....they never had it anyway....so you have my support.

    peace.

    • 8 votes
    #16.4 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:59 PM EDT
    fuzzy mathematician

    The same thing will happen that usually happens with boycotts. People will stick to it for a while but before long, it's just too inconvenient to drive to the other store, or the prices are higher, and they will give in. Petco will have a PR disaster for a little while, they'll make amends through some donations to animal charities and they will present some fake contingency plan. In a few months, all but those few truly dedicated in their outrage will forget.

    Given the circumstances of this case, a private citizen in most jurisdictions could be held to account with laws already on the books respecting animal cruelty and neglect. But a corporate citizen is a special kind of person with effectively all the rights of an individual and virtually none of the responsibility. If charges are brought, I'm sure Petco has lawyers competent enough to litigate their way to a symbolic slap on the wrist, at most. No actual person will face serious consequences. Except, of course, the peon employees who will lose their jobs, including the ones who weren't on shift on the days in question.

    So I would say the real legal issue here is how corporate law is built to shield individuals from accountability to anything other than the profit margin. Corporations are structured to promote economies of scale that should be good for both the consumer and the shareholder. But that should not entitle them to being more equal under the law than individuals. That is neither progressive nor libertarian...

    • 3 votes
    #16.5 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:52 AM EDT
    Lkessler

    Remember: no matter how cute the lil' guy at the store, there are pets at rescue shelters--look at your rescue shelter before adopting a little guy into your family first...

    There are so many needy animals. And, if for whatever reason you can't adopt more than the ones you already have, please consider donating your time to a pet-shelter in your area. Thanks!!

    • 10 votes
    #16.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
    js-445607

    So true, Lkessler. I have up to a dozen "yard" cats that come to feed twice a day. These kitties have been spayed and neutered and brought back to where they were abandoned. All over the island soulless people dump their pets for various reasons when they could have taken them to a shelter. It infuriates me that someone decides to leave the island and has no compassion for the pet they leave behind. My old neighbor moved a year ago and left 30 cats that he fed. They live in the field behind his house. The new owners feed some, but before they could begin this the rest of us helped. The kitties came out to find food and only one neighbor was an absolute a-hole and caused distress to the cats and a rift that will never heal. One of the neighbors just moved so I have their kitties. We are attempting to keep these cats healthy and keep them from needing to eat the birds. They do keep the rat and mouse population down and love an occasional bug, however.

    Petco is not a place to purchase a pet.

    • 6 votes
    #16.7 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT
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    arkpdx

    I am not really surprised at this. I rarely shop at Petco. I have found that the employees are nite as knowledgeable or as caring as those at any of my local Petsmart stores. They all know and like my dogs and are most helpful when needed. Now I have aeither reason not to go there.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#17 - Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:17 PM EDT
    CrowMeris

    Matt, you are spot-on. It was absolutely impossible for anyone around here not to be aware of what was going on.

    All through the afternoon every television station, every radio station, the National Weather Service (located at the airport in Binghamton) was broadcasting warnings that this remnant of TS Lee was going to cause flooding. As we moved toward evening, the warnings became more and more urgent. Anyone in the business district of Vestal claiming ignorance is flat-out lying.

    Moving fish would be very problematic, especially those in salt-water tanks. If I were the manager of the store, I would regretfully put them at the bottom of rescue triage after securing the tank hoods and turning off the power to the pumps, lights, and filters to avoid possible electrocution. There's no excuse for the rest.

    I'm torn in the Pet Depot case. Kudos to the workers who rescued the animals, but I've never patronized that store because they sell puppies. So good on them, but I'll stick with Creature Comforts.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#18 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:52 AM EDT
    Dowser

    I'm a big fan of pound puppies, myself. Pet stores that sell kittens and puppies do not take care of them very well, for sure.

    I go to Feeder Supply that allows the Shamrock foundation to bring cats and dogs in for adoption-- they are carefully vetted, and are well cared for! The animals stay there only on adoption night, and then go back to their foster families.

    • 6 votes
    #18.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:06 AM EDT
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    fuzzy mathematician

    Well, I get my cat food and litter from other mega-corporate behemoths than Petco, so it's easy for me to not buy anything there. That is, until I find out those ones have some even uglier skeletons...

    • 4 votes
    Reply#19 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:00 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Ay, there's the rub, fuzzy mathematician. Still, let's keep up the good fight armed with whatever information we have, while we're always on the lookout for more.

    • 6 votes
    #19.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
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    The HelpDeleted
    Eoin-899252

    they just lost my business, I can get my dog food from other retail outlets.

    Discussing of Petco.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#21 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:51 AM EDT
    tesla013

    And sadly when all is said and done they will probably face penalties much greater than the individuals who are responsible for the loss of any human life.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#22 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Remains to be seen tesla. But I would point out that, except under totalitarian regimes, humans have an ability to speak for themselves that other creatures do not.

    • 5 votes
    #22.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT
    tesla013

    Really? Tell that to folks in Louisiana who relied on the levies. Tell that to the Gulf coast residents who relied on BP to follow the rules(what few there were). The list is rather extensive of humans who had no "voice"

    • 5 votes
    #22.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:02 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    I guess it depends on how you define "voice," tesla. You're quite right in that "voice" surely doesn't guarantee access to legal protection or to justice after the fact. But would you agree that in the case of Louisiana and the Gulf Coast, at least these travesties are widely known precisely because voices were raised? Sadly not much progress has been made in remediation, but what could we expect if those voices had been entirely silenced? What hope is there for those who have no voice at all if we don't raise ours for them?

    • 7 votes
    #22.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:19 AM EDT
    tesla013

    No hope Remote. And do not mistake my attitude as meaning I do not love animals, hell all life. I just got through walking a dog that ain't even mine. I just have a small issue with the way we place value on human life versus animal life.

    • 6 votes
    #22.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    Understood, tesla. I totally respect your point of view. Thanks for helping me demonstrate that two Viners can in fact conduct a civil discussion. :-)

    • 7 votes
    #22.5 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:49 AM EDT
    tesla013

    Anytime.

    • 3 votes
    #22.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT
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    The HelpDeleted
    Fufu

    I generally purchase based on what product I want and where it's available. My cat (a rescue from Seoul, South Korea) eats Taste of the Wild, which PetCo doesn't even sell, so I haven't shopped there in quite awhile. I bought a litter box at a large chain 6 months ago, but I can't remember if it was PetCo or PetSmart.

    Based upon reports of what happened, this situation definitely warrants a criminal investigation.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#24 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
    The HelpDeleted
    Fufu

    I believe that PetCo is claiming the flooding was the result of blocked drainage / sewer systems. I don't know if that blockage was caused by any kind of bush or not. Do we know what types of shrubbery are native to the area and if they are likely to be uprooted by flooding?

    • 2 votes
    #24.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT
    Matt Rock

    The area flooded in 2006, and before that, it hadn't flooded since the 1930's. Everyone in the area will be quick to tell you that their claim of a clogged sewer system is total bunk. They're a stone's throw from the river at their location, sat in a low-lying area that was completely inundated by the river during the flood, at the same altitude as other areas that were flooded in Binghamton, Vestal, Endicott, etc., which are all on different standalone sewage systems. The mall where PETCO is located, which is also home to Toys R Us, Babies R Us, and a "Christmas Tree Shops" store, flooded in 2006. So did all of the adjacent stores (a Weis grocery store (called "the Giant" in 2006), a McDonalds, a Gander Mountain store, a Wegman's grocery, Christie's restaurant, and other businesses). The place where my girlfriend works is lower than the PETCO, and down hill from the river, and that modern office building was flooded ot the roof. They're pretending like that area only flooded because of circumstance, but anyone familiar with that area will be quick to argue against that assertion.

    • 6 votes
    #24.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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    The HelpDeleted
    Bad Fish

    I don't shop there , one because Delgado is on a grain free Salmon diet and they don't carry the food. Secondly we were asked not to come back after he mounted a poodle on isle 6.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#26 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT
    bitemore

    #26: Secondly we were asked not to come back after he mounted a poodle on isle 6.

    Thanks! I needed that! Giggles are good!

    • 7 votes
    #26.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT
    Fufu

    Secondly we were asked not to come back after he mounted a poodle on isle 6.

    #Winning. It's what Delgado does. Relentlessly.

    • 6 votes
    #26.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
    Lkessler

    *naughty Delgado!*

    I must say, I laughed hysterically reading that!

    • 7 votes
    #26.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
    js-445607

    Thanks for the uplifting post of the day, Bad Fish. Good for Delgado!

    • 5 votes
    #26.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
    rtg-

    I don't take my dogs to pet stores for the same reason. One of mine has a tendency to try to head-mount other dogs, and they usually do not appreciate it, and basically, my dogs are just not very well mannered. When 120 lbs. of hair is expected to walk past dog bones without grabbing them is simply more than I would expect. So basically, out of 3 dogs, none are well mannered enough to go shopping, which is okay, because I'd rather pick what to get them because I don't trust their judgment. I have shopped in Petco without my canine family though, but won't be doing it again.

    • 6 votes
    #26.5 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
    js-445607

    I've seen dog owners wrestling with their dogs in pet stores. It reminds me of taking a two year old in an open candy store and expecting them to keep their hands to themselves. My daughter told she couldn't take her dog into the pet store as it might eat a kitty. That was a good enough reason for me.

    • 5 votes
    #26.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
    CrowMeris

    I don't take my dogs to pet stores for the same reason. One of mine has a tendency to try to head-mount other dogs, and they usually do not appreciate it, and basically, my dogs are just not very well mannered.

    Groan. I'm with you. I've got three of them who just don't belong out in public. They came to us fairly damaged, and with some dogs, you can only rehabilitate so far. One of them is a Pit/Akita cross. I'd have to keep her muzzled to take her to a pet store, and without going into details about her early life in a dog-fighting kennel, that would be a form of abuse in and of itself. Two of the others have their own set of problems.

    I do have one happy little elderly boy I take along. He might threaten to lick you to death, and he has a distressing tendency to pee on any inanimate upright object, but he's a charmer and a great ambassador for older dog rescue/adoption.

    • 5 votes
    #26.7 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
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    CrowMeris

    So much is in the messaging. If the store had said, "We were in the process of rescuing these animals, but because a clog in the storm-water drainage system caused a sudden rise in the water, we were unable to complete our task" - well, we could understand that. Not like it, but understand it.

    Instead, they flat-out lied, saying they had no knowledge of the state of emergency. Even if no one at the store had a radio, simply listening to the dozens and dozens of customers flocking in to buy supplies for their animals should have piqued the interest of the employees enough to find out what was going on.

    There is no excuse.

    At this moment, however, I would hesitate blaming the "associates" (I hate that word). We don't know exactly how/if they were instructed by management; it may be that the animals that were, indeed, rescued were saved by employees overriding management's decision.

    • 5 votes
    #27 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:15 AM EDT
    bitemore

    #27: We don't know exactly how/if they were instructed by management; it may be that the animals that were, indeed, rescued were saved by employees overriding management's decision.

    I'm inclined to cut the "associates" some slack (and I hate that word, too). Why? Because if they were expressly told not to remove animals, then if they did remove them, they could be charged with shoplifting. Sadly, I'm betting that with jobs being hard to get, these folks were caught between a rock and a hard place. The ultimate decision has to be made by management, and management is clearly negligent here (they tried to explain and apologize on Facebook, but no one is buying their "excuses"). There is just too much evidence showing that management deliberately made a decision not to remove animals while they still could, and now they are backpedaling, but no one is buying it.

    • 5 votes
    #27.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    CrowMeris and Bitemore, I agree about cutting the "associates," aka wage slaves, some slack. It occurs to me that the actual decision makers in this sorry situation probably issued their orders in such a way as to preserve their own plausible deniability while throwing the employees under the bus. Unfortunately, the ax may well fall on the lower echelons if it falls at all.

    • 6 votes
    #27.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
    Matt Rock

    I blame the associates to some degree. If the store was open until 9pm, they had more than enough time to get the animals out, and I'd rather be fired or even face criminal charges than see innocent animals die. Anyone working at that store who lived here in 2006 should know that the strip mall where PETCO is located flooded then, and the warnings people in the area received said that this flood would be "as bad or worse" than 2006, so putting two and two together, I would have done whatever I could to get them out.

    The associates not in the store... that's a different story. As CrowMeris and other area residents can tell you, travel was almost impossible by 9pm. Having learned from the 2006 flood, Binghamton went into lockdown mode in preparation for this flood, and travel was extremely limited by then. I couldn't get from my south side apartment to my mom's west side apartment on Wednesday, with every possible route blocked (south siders were actually cut off from the rest of the Binghamton metro area until Friday). So even if those associates wanted to go to the store, they most likely didn't have the option. But everyone working in the store that day, and the employees who could have gotten to the store, were all in a position to rescue those animals.

    As I said on a friend's Facebook post, if the management ordered me not to rescue those animals, I would have ignored them, and if they tried to physically stop me from doing it, they'd really wish they hadn't. But at 31, I'm probably older and less afraid of legal action than most of the employees at that store (I'm guessing they're probably teenagers or in their early twenties).

    • 7 votes
    #27.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:59 AM EDT
    The HelpExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Do you really think Petsmart ordered their employees to let the animals drown? Where's the motive, Matt? What would be the point? I'm sure scandals are rare there in Boogerville, but c'mon man.

    • 1 vote
    #27.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    It's PETCO, not Petsmart. And I never said they ordered their employees to let the animals drown. Others think there might be an insurance motive involved, but I didn't say that. They were lazy, irresponsible, uncaring, and lacked any form of compassion, that much is obvious. And the company may have attempted to downplay the severity of the flood to avoid the costs of housing the animals or dealing with "inventory losses." But do read the article before you try to guess my position on this. Also, go read up on the city of Binghamton before you continue to insult it.

    • 11 votes
    #27.5 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
    Dowser

    lacked any form of compassion

    Absolutely.

    Also, go read up on the city of Binghamton before you continue to insult it.

    Absolutely.

    • 5 votes
    #27.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT
    Neish1920

    @ Matt

    Get them out and take them where? If management told them not to remove them, then what were they to have done? A 17 year old cant just bust up in his mom's house with a dog and nothing to feed it. A 19 year old who lives in an apartment that doesnt allow pants cant either.

    Im just saying.........

    • 1 vote
    #27.7 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
    Dowser

    I would bet that the other, non-flooded pet stores would have stepped up to the plate to take in animals. As would have private citizens. Or anyone else that could have done so. I would have, had I known and been in the area.

    And, you're right-- there may not have been much time to organize it, and that people can't just take them home with them... But, they could have tried. And they didn't.

    • 5 votes
    #27.8 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:09 PM EDT
    CrowMeris

    Get them out and take them where? If management told them not to remove them, then what were they to have done? A 17 year old cant just bust up in his mom's house with a dog and nothing to feed it. A 19 year old who lives in an apartment that doesnt allow pants cant either.

    You figure it out. That's why we humans have these big, gray, squishy things inside our skulls called "brains". You put together cages, you pop open cardboard carriers, you head across the street to buy plastic containers. You move them to higher ground. You do your best, even if you can't do it all. You don't just lock the door and go home and lie about it.

    • 6 votes
    #27.9 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
    jupiter2

    I am wondering, if nothing else I am guessing the place didn't flood up to the ceiling- could they perhaps just shuffled everyone around to be up on top shelves or in high places where the flooding did not reach? I wonder how high the water got... just thinking aloud.

    • 6 votes
    #27.10 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
    Dowser

    I was wondering the same thing.

    • 5 votes
    #27.11 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    #27.9 - That's why we humans have these big, gray, squishy things inside our skulls called "brains".

    CrowMeris, you totally rock! Love ya! FR on the way.

    • 6 votes
    #27.12 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    As far as I know, from pictures and whatnot (and this is totally a guess), it only flooded about 4-ish feet from the ground level. This picture is the closest one I could find to having been taken after the flood. It was shot on Thursday. So I think Jupiter is spot on... they could have simply elevated the animals.

    And like Crow said, there were tons of options that were all better than watching these innocent creatures die. The Oakdale Mall is just down the street from this mall. I don't know if there's a pet shop in that mall, I haven't been there in years, but there used to be. There's an evacuation center within walking distance of the PETCO, too. The National Guard took my mom, my aunt, and my cousins to that school (the Johnson City High School) during the flood, and they have a middle school adjacent to the high school that wasn't used during the evacuations, so they could have asked to see if someone would have allowed them to put the animals there. Even the cemetary directly across the street was safer than that mall.

    There's no excuse for what they did. No excuse at all. And for all their claims that they have evacuation protocols for natural disasters, they certainly remain to be seen here. They had hours upon hours upon hours to get something done and take care of these animals.

    • 6 votes
    #27.13 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:57 PM EDT
    CrowMeris

    Remote Viewer:

    FR on the way.

    Gratefully accepted, thank you!

    • 4 votes
    #27.14 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:39 PM EDT
    Neish1920

    You figure it out. That's why we humans have these big, gray, squishy things inside our skulls called "brains". You put together cages, you pop open cardboard carriers, you head across the street to buy plastic containers. You move them to higher ground. You do your best, even if you can't do it all. You don't just lock the door and go home and lie about it.

    Dont expect others to act or react in the same manner you would givne the situation. You werent there so you have no idea how it really went down. Who said that whomever left that day had the money to do what you mentioned above? who says they didnt move the cages up, but not high enough? Who said there were enough people to move them to an evacation area? I have yet to see pictures of what happened either to accurately assess what a person who is not in charge "should" have done. They also would need food, and other reasources that a person may not be able to take with, or was intructed not to take.

    When the shyt hits the fan, our brains search its internal rolodex for what it did the last time something like that happened. If their is nothing in there, then it searches again, and again. (i.e. the deer in head lights look...). If there is nothing there, it usually goes into self mode....

    • 2 votes
    #27.15 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:42 AM EDT
    Rahlly

    Maybe there were some pet friendly shelters, down here we have some. I'm in FL and there are shelters who let you bring in your animals provided you bring a cage. As for food. Take a bag and account for it later. As well, even if you didn't take food, a cat/dog can eat a person meal once in a while so give em a burger sans bread, rabbits/gerbils/rodents can eat veg or bread. There were ways.

    • 5 votes
    #27.16 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
    Neish1920

    @ Rahll

    I live in a flood zone, have all my life just miles away from the mighty Missouri River.. I dont know of any shelter zone for a large number of animals. Now, that is not to say I wouldnt learn of such if I worked @ a place like Petco. I can tell you every place for people to evac towith their own pet, but not an entire pet store with 50+ animals.

    Places like that need evacuation drills in the same way they need fire drills. Otherwise, humans go into self mode real quick.

    • 5 votes
    #27.17 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
    Matt Rock

    That is a good point, Neish. They really should have had drills in place. To be honest, I don't think they had any evacuation protocols whatosever. They initially claimed they did have those protocols, but didn't know the flood was happening. That was proven to be a huge load of BS when they retracted that statement completely the other day. I think they had no plans, and their employees had no idea what to do. That doesn't excuse them from not trying anything whatosever, especially with so many hours to get something done, but still, I think you're right, and they should have drilled on it to prepare.

    • 6 votes
    #27.18 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
    Rahlly

    Maybe not for large amounts of large animals but can you take 10 hamster in a large cage? If they spread it out could they have evac'd a majority of those in danger?

    • 4 votes
    #27.19 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:20 PM EDT
    Remote Viewer

    I think so, Rahlly. When hamsters mature, they need to be caged separately. But young hamsters such as you see in a pet store are generally caged together in considerable numbers. It would be a good idea to keep the same groups together that were together in the store, but if they're young enough, it might not be necessary and there shouldn't be a problem for the short term. Short answer: I'm sure they could have evacuated the majority of the critters, if not all.

    • 4 votes
    #27.20 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:50 PM EDT
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    northern girl

    Who keeps voting "The Help" up? I understand one is his/hers/its vote, but who is the other dumb @!$%# that voted?

    • 8 votes
    #29 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:08 PM EDT
    Matt Rock

    I'm thinking they're a re-reg, so maybe it's a multiple account thing?

    • 9 votes
    #29.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:13 PM EDT
    The HelpDeleted
    The HelpExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Again your thinking comes up short, Matt.

      #29.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:19 PM EDT
      northern girl

      I can only think of one "short" thing around here, Help, and my guess is that it is why you are acting like this.

      • 3 votes
      #29.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:04 PM EDT
      northern girl

      Matt,

      Would you please delete comment 29.4? Im embarrassed to say it, but I came close to sinking to The Help's level, and I know better.

      Thanks.

      • 6 votes
      #29.5 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT
      Lkessler

      Northern: 'tis ok, you lost it--momentarily!

      You're entitled, this kind of thing, and The Help's commentary does not help the rest of us.

      Sheesh!!

      • 5 votes
      #29.6 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:19 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #29.6: I can only think of one "short" thing around here

      This had me LOLing all over the place!

      Okay. Now I will behave.

      :-)

      Yes, I am aware of:

      If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.

      Sowwy... northern girl and I will promise to be nice. Really, we will.

      • 7 votes
      #29.7 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:25 PM EDT
      northern girl

      Cross our hearts... :)

      • 5 votes
      #29.8 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM EDT
      Lkessler

      Ok bitey, you and northern can promise to be nice... I'll promise to "try!"

      *LOL!*

      • 5 votes
      #29.9 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:45 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #29.9: Ok bitey, you and northern can promise to be nice... I'll promise to "try!"

      You and northern girl are always nice! I have to slap my own face several times a day. Can't help it. I'm just irreverent (but I do have a lot of fun)! Does that count...?

      • 5 votes
      #29.10 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT
      jupiter2

      "The Help" is gone already :oD

      • 5 votes
      #29.11 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
      Dowser

      good

      • 4 votes
      #29.12 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:55 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #29.11: "The Help" is gone already :oD

      Yep. Banned. Re-reg of "AmosnAndy." The bad part is that this one re-regs all the time. Many times a week, if not many times a day.

      • 7 votes
      #29.13 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT
      RebootIt

      How can you guys tell? Public IP?

      • 1 vote
      #29.14 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:13 PM EDT
      redphish

      Sir Richard Owen keeps an on-going ban / suspension list with all of the gory details.

      • 5 votes
      #29.15 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #29.14: How can you guys tell? Public IP?

      Nope. I don't know how Tyler and Sally can tell, but if you want to see who's been banned or suspended, follow this column. Sir Richard Owen updates it every day. I keep it open in its own tab and check on it frequently.

      • 6 votes
      #29.16 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
      ScreamingForVengeance

      They track IP addresses.....

      • 3 votes
      #29.17 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:59 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #29.15: with all of the gory details.

      Yeah! Ain't it cool? Okay, okay, I'm evil. I admit it! But I do enjoy keeping tabs on who has been banned and why.

      • 5 votes
      #29.18 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:03 PM EDT
      redphish

      What's funny is a board I used to post on a lot banned people by their IP. We had almost no problem with re-regers because they would have to go to the trouble of using another connection to get back on. I wonder why NV can't do the same thing?

      • 2 votes
      #29.19 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT
      Starseeker

      if your connecting from a business for example connections are often internally translated to a private IP address so everyone from there is coming from the same public IP. This mechanism is what has allowed IPv4 to still be viable. otherwise we would have been out of IP addresses years ago.

      The same is most likely true for most ISPs as well... I have an Internet non-routable IP from my ISP.

      • 4 votes
      #29.20 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:15 PM EDT
      redphish

      I'll admit that I'm no expert. It could be that there weren't nearly as many obsessive / compulsive trolls on the other site.

      • 3 votes
      #29.21 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:23 PM EDT
      RebootIt

      They track IP addresses.....

      If they did it that way then one user could get an entire office building or campus banned from the Vine.

      • 2 votes
      #29.22 - Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:18 PM EDT
      CrowMeris

      If they did it that way then one user could get an entire office building or campus banned from the Vine.

      That's why the horrid things can continue to register over and over again, because the mods would not ban an entire IP address except as a matter of absolute last resort. Maybe a perfectly, well-behaved, lovely Viner lives in the same building.

      But they use the IP addresses to track. When The Help happens to have the same IP address as the The Chinaman, and they can track that back all the way to AmosanAndy, the dude is banned; but just him, not the IP address itself.

      • 3 votes
      #29.23 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:09 AM EDT
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      MikeBravo

      Thank you for choosing PETCO! One of our representatives will be with you shortly.

      You are now chatting with April.

      April: Hello! I am a PETCO Customer Relations Representative. May I know who I'm chatting with?

      You: http://matt-rock.newsvine.com/_news/2011/09/11/7717397-amidst-historic-flooding-petco-store-allows-animals-to-drown

      You: Really bad.

      April: I'm sorry about that.

      April: May I know what happen?

      You: Who besides you? How about the people responsible?

      You: What has corporate office said to make sure it does not happen again?

      You: Copy and paste the link in a browser.

      April: Yes, I understand how you feel about it and I also feel bad about what happened.

      April: Thank you for your passion for the animals in regards to the devastating flood in Johnson City, NY. Like you, our first concern is the welfare of the animals and we are heartbroken over this tragedy. Some animals did perish and this weighs heavily on our minds and hearts.

      You: Again, what has Petco corporate office said or done to make sure it does not happen again?

      April: We have disaster preparedness and evacuation protocol for all stores. In recent weeks we put those measures into action and evacuated animals from the stores impacted by weather and expected flooding. PETCO has a long history of being the first responders in emergency situations, helping people and their pets impacted by disasters like the ones we saw this year across our country.

      You: Does not seem to have worked.

      You: Bye

      April: Early Thursday morning our team arrived to work and was shocked at the enormity of the situation. They immediately tried to enter the building to evacuate the animals but were turned away by the authorities due to concerns for human safety.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#30 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT
      Matt Rock

      UGH! "Turned away by authorities" -- on THURSDAY MORNING! The city was under water by thursday morning! Who or what were they going to rescue then? That mall was flooded out before the sun came up on Thursday. They had almost the whole day on Wednesday to save those animals. They really are trying to pin this on anyone and everyone except themselves... hearing this corporate nonsense is so sickening!

      Thanks, Mike, for posting this here. It's infuriating to read PETCO's comments in the wake of the flood, and see them trying to play dumb and act like it's everyone's fault but their own. Everytime anyone from their company says anything, they're incriminating themselves even further.

      • 10 votes
      #30.1 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:25 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #30.1: It's infuriating to read PETCO's comments in the wake of the flood, and see them trying to play dumb and act like it's everyone's fault but their own. Everytime anyone from their company says anything, they're incriminating themselves even further.

      Mike's post looks like it came from the Facebook page. Maybe not word-for-word, but close enough. Now it is beginning to look like this campaign is picking up steam. Even the Wall Street Journal and "The Gawker" have picked up the story, assuming Facebook's information is accurate. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it eventually appears on our evening news. I hope it does!

      On Facebook, I did read a few comments that claimed that the employees were threatened with legal action if they arbitrarily removed (rescued) any animals. I cannot substantiate those claims, but am inclined to believe them. Some people are so desperate for a job, any job, that they will suffer horrible conditions just to remain employed. In this economic climate, sadly, there are those who really cannot afford to be brave. They may have dependents literally depending on them for those meager paychecks. I will add, however, that they could have (and should have) called the SPCA or even the police before the flood happened, and maybe these authorities could have forced the rescue of the animals. We will never know.

      In any event, the movement is gaining momentum. We can only hope this travesty never happens again.

      • 8 votes
      #30.2 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
      MikeBravo

      Bitemore,

      Actually, I had a Petco advertisment in my email:

      Mike, great selection and savings you'll love! SHOP NOW.
      View as web page. View on mobile device.


      DOG

      CAT

      FISH

      SMALL ANIMAL

      FERRET

      REPTILE

      BIRD

      and so on. Then after I went to: Contact us by email at http://www.petco.com/contactus I somehow found a customer service chat line. I had already seen Matt's seed so I decided to copy and post my chat.

      • 4 votes
      #30.3 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM EDT
      bitemore

      #30.3: I went to: Contact us by email at http://www.petco.com/contactus I somehow found a customer service chat line. I had already seen Matt's seed so I decided to copy and post my chat.

      I stand corrected. I did recognize the Petco boilerplate - I knew I'd seen it on Facebook! I guess they are scripted. I'm glad you posted it as you did!

      • 6 votes
      #30.4 - Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM EDT
      Jerseygirl1978

      Good article, Matt. Voted up.

      • 3 votes
      #30.5 - Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:13 PM EDT
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